Longtime Indoor Pool Owner Looking for Easier Ways

We’ve lived with this indoor pool for twenty years. It is well maintained, just off the family room, so visible from inside. We have a WYBOT robotic pool cleaner which works very well, except for the fine silt and dirty DE which collects in the bottom mostly during the winter when we rarely use it. But some is always there. The filter just doesn’t get it out. I am wondering whether I could line the basket with cheesecloth for a finer filtering job. Anyone ever tried this? Or pool specific cotton balls?

Hayward Owners - Reason NOT to upgrade Hayward Aqua Plus to OmniPL? Most owners satisfied with Hayward Omni PL?

Have a customer with a Hayward Aqua Plus panel that wants to add wifi. From my research, the Aqua Connect system is discontinued and no longer supported so probably not something I would recommend to him which leaves the OmniPL upgrade kit.

We just install and service way more Pentair sytems than Hayward so I have limited Hayward experience. Customer's pool consists of a white/single color light, pump (superflo VS), salt cell (Hayward Turbo) and heater (Raypak). Very simple.

To move to an intellicenter with load center is going to be a big jump in price, and I'm guessing not worth the extra cost.

I'd consider an intellicenter lite, and moving the breakers on his hayward panel to the electrical panel feeding it right next to it, but the way the electrical is routed (all the panels are inside his house), would not be a simple endeavor, so intellicenter lite doesn't really seem like a feasible option.

Are most of you Hayward owners pretty happy?

Thanks in advance for helpful replies.

First time pool owner

Bought a house with a large in ground pool in Delaware US.
Its got some age on it, but then again, so do I.
Has a MiniMax 400 heater, and a nature2 mineral system (which does not appear to have been used recently). Apparently the previous owners were just doing straight up chlorine.

Doing my first opening right now and trying to learn as much as I need to in order to properly maintain my system.

Cheers

Moved to a new house with pool

Hello,

I just moved to a new house with a pool that has pop ups and QuickSkim, my previous pool had a pool cleaner vaccuum and a skimmer and it was easy to clean. This new pool is a completely different system for me and it would be great to get some direction on how to take care of it:
  1. Some of the pop ups are missing which I know I need to replace. Those have lifetime warranty so Iḿ in the process of getting those fixed
  2. There is no return jets only pop ups and a single return stream below the QuickSkim as part of the system. Where do I pour the liquid chlorine?
  3. RIght now the floor of the pool is full of dust mainly because the pop ups are not working properly, any tips on how to get the floor of the pool clean in the meantime?
Thanks in advance for the advise,

Pay for professional leak detect or get new liner?

Hi everyone. Last summer, I spent days trying to find the slow leak in our vinyl liner with dye, a syringe, a weight belt, a mask, and a snorkel- and no luck. It's not a hose or connection point. Over the winter, the pool water level dropped to about half-full, and it's now hanging steady. The liner hasn't even had 2 full seasons yet, we installed in July 2023. I just got a quote from a local company for leak detection/repair, and it came in at $500. Do we pay the $500 or just spring for a new liner?

Drain or Not?

I have a ~15,000 gallon pool (pebbletec) that I began maintaining myself last fall. We recently had a pretty heavy calcium scale line (12-year old pool) blasted off and I was hoping the draining required to do the work would help with CYA, but it wasn't really enough to make a dent.

Chlorine tabs have been used exclusively, but I am planning to make the switch to liquid. CYA has basically stayed at 90 since I started doing my own testing. Just did fresh testing and also realized my CH was higher than I realized, likely because I was not initially getting to the final blue color before stopping the drops/counting.

Based on these numbers, should I consider doing a partial drain and refill to gear up for the summer? While on the high end, it seems like these are manageable and that the CYA may come down over time if I stop using the pucks.

FC 9
PH 7.3
TA 90
CYA 90
CH 550

Stubborn Alkalinity

My pool had a leak that required draining to repair. I'm in the process of rebalancing my water and am targeting 70 Alkalinity - where my pool sat before the repairs. However, I can't get it to drop below 80. I'm using MA to take the Ph down to 7.0 - 7.2, but Alk just won't go below 80. 80 isn't that far from 70 and is within the margin of error of my Taylor kit. Should I just ignore this?

Spa draining into pool

My spa is draining into my pool, but I can’t figure out how or why.

The spa main drain is closed, the spa return valves are closed. It should be isolated.

For giggles, I’ve also closed the skimmer suction and cleaner valves as well.

What am I missing?

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Spa Light Issues

I had some plaster work done in my spa today, and the light doesn’t seem to be working correctly anymore. This light has been having issues - it stopped making blue - but it was plenty bright yesterday.

Thoughts? Could the bulb just be dying? Did they possibly crack the housing and water is inside? Could plaster be blocking light?

I’m calling the building back - plaster was warranty work - but trying to get a sense for possible problems.

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TX Dust + steps and tanning ledge = ??? Which vacuum do we need?

We are in TX and when the wind kicks up in the summer, dust! And it is a clay like dust so it settles fast. Looks like mud.

We have a Pentair Racer LS w/ booster pump and it does a good job at what it does. It stirs the dust off the floor of the pool, but then the dust ends up on the stairs and ledges. Which eventually look like they are covered in mud.

Whatever vacuum/cleaner we choose, I don’t need to be able to schedule it. I need something I can pull out every 2-4 weeks and hit the stairs/ledges/spa. It needs to have a filter to handle the dust.

Any ideas? I see some cleaners that look like stick vacs. That would work. Just need the filter……..

Draining Pool

Looking for advice on which method I should use to drain my pool. (Current CYA level is 70. Goal is to reach roughly 40ppm. Unfortunately my pool service was using trichlor tablets.. I have since cancelled their service and switched to liquid chlorine thanks to TFP).

I have a DE filter with a two port valve so I won’t be able to direct outflow to waste. Would it be okay to attach my vacuum to skimmer port and backwash until water line level is acceptable? Siphoning with a hose seems a bit mundane but if that’s the preferred route I suppose I’ll go with that.

Why is it calculating weirdly… I’m sure it’s me...

I’m sure it’s me, but need someone to tell me why! I have used the app for several years with my old pool, moved houses so new pool (new build). I must have a setting wrong.

My pool gallons are set to plaster, 38000. My Test Kit is TF-100, and the reagents are about 6 mths old.

I needed FC to go from 0 to 12 (SLAM). 4 gal of 10% got me to FC5.5, 6 gal of 10% got me to FC7, 9 gal 10% to FC11.
The app, when I was initially at FC0 with target FC12 it recommended I add 4 gal, 2 qts (the sanitizer type is set to liquid chlorine, 10%, 128oz jugs). That is far from the 9 I added. (my chlorine expires 1/6/26)

Also, Calcium Hardness. Current is 275, target is 450. It recommends adding 62 lbs (setting is Calcium Chloride). 62 lbs? It took @25 lbs to get it to 275 (super soft fill water).

So, the FC target recommended addition was too low, but then the Calcium seems really high? I tracked my SLAM numbers because I wanted to use them to verify the # of gal in my pool, but this isn’t making sense.

I don’t understand the chemistry of how all this works, I’m just appreciative of the smart people who gave me the tools and the instructions on how to use them! Smart people, help me out :)

Ground Water Leaking In Cover Track Slot

Our pool is now 2 years old and we’re getting quite a bit of build up in one corner. Best I can tell we have a very small amount of ground water that’s running into the pool from this corner and causing a lot of scale to build up above the water line. The issue is that’s it’s not waterproofed/tiled here because it’s where the track for the cover is built in.

I’m looking for suggestions on how to handle this long term, is there something to prevent the water from leaking in? Or do I just need to manage the scale and deal with it?

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pentair intellibrite 5g led with iaqualink

I hope someone can give me guidance. New pool installed in 2013.
Interface: AquaLink Touch
Model: RS-8 only
Aqualink REV R
CPU p/n E0260804.
IAqualink Web connect device iQ900.
PentairIntellibrite 5g Underwater Pool Color-Changing LED Light.
The color changing feature never worked from day 1. The lights usually lit up white.

The first photo attached shows the options for light control I have on my iAquaLink app. Note that it does not have a Pentair Intellibrite option.
The second photo is something I found as I was researching the issue on the web showing the option to click for Pentair Intellibrite.
I am assuming this is the reason for my issue.

Do I need to upgrade the CPU from REV R to a later version, or the iQ900 to a later version, or both?

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Best Pool Cleaner for curved side walls

I am nearing time to replace my second Blue Diamond pool robot. This has the foam rollers vs the paddle type. Prior to finding my second one, I tried a Dolphin S300, and had a terrible time getting my sides clean. I have a mountain pond-shaped pool with a vinyl liner, with curved soft-pack sides. With the S300, it seemed to skip around, leaving marks like dots and dashes. Now that the Blue Diamond (WaterTech) is long gone, I need something for my pool. Any tips? Seems the entire dolphin line has same tank tracks and paddle rollers. Thanks!

Calcium level drop over winter

I typically maintain my fiberglass pool around 180 to 220. When took my first measurement after opening (and water well circulated), it was at 80... water temp at 61.

How much does water temperature impact the accuracy of calcium test? Would it be in solution greater at colder temp and precipitate out as gets warmer? Don't want to add excessive amounts of calcium to bring to my target level if the water temp will impact the reading.

Brown Algae??? Dirt?

I have been battling this for a while. From the pictures the pool get this brown dusting on the flat surfaces (steps, seats and in the bottom along the edges. I brush it and vacuum and it will stay gone for a day or so. Brushes very easy like a cloud of dust. At first I thought it was dirt for the rain. But we haven't had any rain in over a week. My numbers look good. Cleaned the cartridge filter the other day and wow!!! was it brown.
FC 6
TA 80
PH 7.4-7.5
CH 190-200
Salt 2900
I plan starting a OCLT tonite.
Am I on the right track.?

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Mastertemp 250 Heater Service and Maintenance

The Service Heater LED turned on for a few seconds the last time I fired up the heater (HTR 250 MASTERTEMP NA - 460732 - 2019), so I figure it's time to do some diagnostics and maintenance on the unit. I've search around a bit here, and come across some good info, and just wanted to actually join the community and make sure I have this all straight in my head...

I haven't tried to fire it up again since, but the troubleshooting section in the manual does say to pull the pull the control panel and look for diagnostic LEDs. Are those LEDs going to remain lit even though the Service Heater LED turned off (ie- does the board maintain error code state)? Or am I going to have to try to get the Service Heater LED to come back on? Does the heater need to be on or actively heating for the diagnostic LEDs to be on?

I am planning on taking the heater completely out of the loop so I can work on it and keep the pump and filter running. I got some unions, and I'll make a "U" shaped PVC piece, as I don't have heater bypass.
With the other side of those unions, I'll make some pieces to connect a submersible pump to and run some CLR (or MA if it's real bad) to descale the heat exchanger. The previous owners of the house did not keep the pool chems in balance, so I am aware this could lead to a full replacement of some of the heater parts if they are too far gone. I have seen some mention of removing a bypass valve when doing that, but I can't find anything concrete on that. Looking at the parts diagram, I see what's called out as a Manifold Bypass Valve, as well as a Thermal Regulator. Looks like I'd have to remove the whole Manifold to get to the bypass valve.

Are there any parts I should just order ahead of time?

I also recently rebuilt the pump- new seals, impeller, diffuser, mechanical bearing, pulled the motor apart and replaced the bearings, repainted the motor, etc.. I'm willing to do things right, and I have all the tools on hand to most anything necessary.

Just bought the house and the pool water looks like it hasn’t been cleaned in years.

The pool is really green and I have been able to get it down to lighter shade but I just ordered the vacuum and was wondering if the reason there’s so much algae left is because I haven’t vacuumed it yet or if there’s another reason. The pump and filter all work pretty well but just making sure it’s just not having a vacuum and not something else

DIY PH measurement and CO2 Injection System- Project Summary

Folks,

I've been really busy with fine tuning the pool recently. We're going on vacation for 18 days (record for us). We have pool automation set up to use esp32 DIY controls... not anywhere as pretty and configurable as the Raspberry Pi solution others on here are using but I just don't have the time to work on that solution for at least a few months. I hope to then restart the Node JS project that many have been so helpful with especially @Katodude, @MyAZPool, and the guy that wrote most of the code who is also a member here (can't remember his id). In the meantime, my esp32 solution was quick, functional, and dirt cheap. Now I need to figure out how to get pH reasonably controlled while we're gone. I know I could do this with acid injection and even just get a pool service to add about a gallon every 3 days but I'd like to avoid both of those options. At a gallon every 3 days, I will require 3.7 pounds of CO2 every three says or say 1.3 # per day. This calculation makes some simplifying assumptions like no loss from off gasing and one mole of CO2 is ultimately equivalent to on mole of HCL. I can get a 50 # cylinder and that should last an entire month at least. I'm assuming in this calculation I get 100% conversion to carbonic acid. So here's a couple questions for the experts:

  • Is 100% conversion reasonable to assume? @JoyfulNoise @JamesW any comments/suggestions
  • from you on this?
  • Seems like I'd be better off injecting down stream of my swg so I don't have too low pH that might remove catalyst on my swg generator, pump seals etc.. That's the last thing in the flow at the equipment pad. Does this make sense to you?
  • Control should be pretty simple is there anything I'm missing on the web page below?
It only took a couple hours to get the code written using ChatGPT. The web page is printed below. I've set up a vpn that came with my old Orbi mesh wifi and it works great for me to access over the internet so I can intervene if needed.

Chris

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Help with a Pentair intellibrite 5g

Brand new to the forum. Have a pool with 2 intellibrite 120v 5g color lights #601002 in sync (single 120v supply) Came in search of some help. I've read a decent amount about the board going bad and figured I'd dig into it before I just replaced the whole assembly. I spoke with a pool repair guy who told me to check the 120v to 12v converter built-in to the epoxy molding in the back case of the fixture. When testing the red leads together coming from the transformer that clip onto the light board I have zero voltage AC. When I test each lead individually and ground to the can I show 11.4ish volts. I verified I do have 120v coming into the can, there is just enough supply wiring at the surface of the epoxy to probe the supplies. Not really sure where to go next. I'm to the point that I'm kinda sure the transformer has failed, I should be getting 12v AC through the two leads that feed the board correct? Also is this repairable if the transformer has failed? I can't find a part number for that. I have no way to send 12v AC to the light board to test it. Any advice appreciated.

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