Who wants to spend a bunch of money to make a pool look pretty much the same as it did a year ago? Me!!

DrHfuhruhurr

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Hi everyone! Recently joined this forum to explore options when renovating our pool. I fully intended to post progress photos as we went, but it's been a very hectic couple of months and while I did an okay job getting some photos, I never found the time to upload them. Apologies if a photo-dump at the tail end is less exciting, but I thought I would share in case our process or results were informational or interesting to anyone here (or anyone looking in the future). We purchased a new home in the SE Texas area in March of 2021, and it came complete with our first swimming pool--a roughly 15'x40' saltwater pool, 10-years old, with quartz plaster and an adjoining spa. The pool featured one large tanning shelf and a somewhat small shelf on the opposite side, adjacent to the spa. Not sure of the exact depth otherwise, but it is probably about 4-feet on either end, and approximately 5 or 5.5 in the middle. This is a photo of the pool when we initially viewed the home and put in our offer (also notice the mostly-healthy trees... more on that later):

Old Pool 1.jpg
Old Pool 2.jpg

We absolutely loved the pool which, although a decade old, still looked modern and fit perfectly in the surrounding space. We would have had no inclination to change anything about it, but unfortunately, sometime between making an offer and closing the sale, a rust spot developed on the bottom of the pool. As a pool noob, I had no idea what it was, and the prior owner claimed it was a stain from a leaf that had blown into the pool during a long freeze that shut down power and water for a couple of weeks. After having it looked at by a couple of pool builders, we determined it was actually a crack in the plaster where rebar was bleeding through. Between March and mid-summer, it gradually stained the bottom of the pool, which we tried to address with metal treatments, but that resulted in nothing more than a couple bouts of stubborn algae and metal stains that faded but just came back in days. Here are some pictures of the rust spot, as well as the spreading stains:

rust spot.jpg

rust spreads.jpg

Our pool servicer tried to patch the crack on two occasions, digging out the plaster and chipping down, then filling it with some kind of waterproof material, but it did not last either time. Within a few weeks, the rust always started bleeding through again (and we still couldn't get rid of the existing/continuing stains). Picture of the patch job with returning rust:
rust returns.jpg

By the end of last year (November-ish), we were pretty sure we just wanted to wait until winter and possibly resurface the pool, especially since both builders who looked at the issue spotted other cracks in the plaster in other locations. They said it was primarily aesthetic, and that we could probably go a few more years without addressing anything, but at that point I was pretty obsessed with making my "brand new" pool look perfect. We might still have waited a year or two, honestly, but we were also frustrated by a problem with the water feature. As you can see in the photos above, one side of the pool has a stacked stone wall that was apparently intended to operate as a "weeping" wall, with water trickling down across its length. Unfortunately, the original builder did not do a good job with the effect, resulting in a torrent of water at one end, and a bare trickle at the other. Again, something we were resigned to deal with for awhile, but in December we noticed the waterwall was also leaking in multiple spots across the back whenever it was turned on. Which explained a bunch of issues we'd had with dying trees in the adjoining garden (due to a somewhat steady diet of chlorinated saltwater). So, we decided in mid-December that we had to repair the waterwall, anyway, so we might as well just tackle everything at once. Here are some pictures of the malfunctioning wall, and the leaks:


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Leaky wall 1.jpg
Leaky wall 2.jpg

In January 2022, we interviewed a couple of pool builders and got quotes for the work. Before going any further, I should probably brace you for this: I think we may be the only people in the history of pool-owning to spend the amount of money we ultimately decided to spend for the sole purpose of renovating a pool to look pretty much like it did before spending the money. Heckle me if you must, but I swear fixing all of the little things added up in our heads and made sense (and we don't regret it, so far). In addition to the problems noted above, we also had no pool lights. The spa light was broken when we purchased (which we knew), and then the pool light crapped out around seven months later. Between the cracks, the stains, the weird and leaky water feature, and the lights, there was a lot to do that is not evident on the surface. We also decided to automate everything--in for a penny, in for a pound, as they say. Upgrading to a pebble finish also seemed like a no-brainer, since the quotes for pebble and quartz weren't that far off, although it did ultimately balloon the price more than expected when we chose a builder who would not re-plaster unless they also re-tiled. We actually really liked the original tile and would have left it alone--just sandblasted away the stains and scaling--but they claimed the join between tile and plaster is a big deal and they could not warrant a job where they don't also do the tile. Seemed like a bit of a stretch, but we really liked their work, so the deal was done. We looked at a variety of tile and almost really went nuts with this one:


tile 3.jpg

...but we weren't really sure our subdued and somewhat natural pool design would look right with such a wild pattern. Plus, the pool builder kept saying it was "beautifully unique," which I sort of interpreted as "something you will regret later." It also turned out to be more expensive than our tile allowance would allow, so that made the decision with us--we would stick to our guns and go with a tile close to our original look. We looked at the below samples and ultimately chose the tile in the upper left, below:

Tile 4.jpg

...and with that I've discovered only 10 files can be attached to posts in this forum. Fair enough. Instead of a single, long post-mortem of a pool remodel, you will get two posts to (hopefully) enjoy. Stay tuned...
 
Post #2 - the saga continues...

Okay, so. To re-set the stage: it is now January 2022, we are all-in on remodeling our pool, and we have selected a builder and picked out tile. The next step was the choose the finish for the pool. We were torn between Pebblesheen and Pebbletec. They were the same price, so it seemed like a no-brainer to go with the newer, smaller-pebbled version, but our builder indicated both are good for different things. And we honestly kinda liked the more natural, riverbed look of the original Pebbletec. We ultimately decided to go with sheen, based on a few days of laborious internet research that resulted in three findings: 1) half of everyone says Pebbletec is actually "smoother," 2) the other half of everyone says Pebblesheen is the "smoother" option, and 3) all of everyone agrees half of everyone is wrong. In other words, there was no consensus, so we chose the newer product. Color was also a hard choice. I was most drawn to the darker colors, like Turtle Bay, Ocean Blue, or even Blue Granite, while my wife was set on a bright color to the water to match what we already had. At the advice of our builder, we dropped the dark colors as options early on because our pool is on the small side and very shallow, overall. Thus, dark colors were more likely to heat up the water in the thick of summer temps, and the really "deep" color only reveals itself in deeper sections of the pool. We were concerned the shelfs and benches, which take up a lot of real estate, would just look dark and gray, and that the water would be unpleasantly warm come July/August. So, we selected Aqua Blue, and we are happy with the choice, in the end.

The actual remodel went a lot faster than I expected, and due to being at work most of the time, I did not get a ton of pictures. However, between late February and mid-March, the following progress was made (check out the stains in the first pic--much easier to see; also, check out our new baby trees, to replace the trees we killed with saltwater and chemicals):

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demo.jpg

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We filled the pool last Monday, which took roughly 32 hours, and our builder is currently balancing and keeping an eye on it for the next 28 days. We are brushing it twice a day, as recommended, and really hopeful that the weather will warm up enough soon for us to try it out. We haven't yet scheduled pool-school, which is when we're supposed to get access to the Omni controller and learn how to fiddle with all of the automation, but it sounds like that will occur sometime next week. All told, we were very pleased with the experience (aside from the cost), and happy with what we accomplished. Yes, we basically remodeled it to look not much different than it did a year ago, but without all the issues we encountered post-sale, we wouldn't have done anything to it. We loved it then, and we love it more now (it may be similar in appearance, but it is much nicer). My only real regret is not adding firepots to the top of the waterwall, but it was going to be excessively expensive. Also, I am strangely very fond of our lion-faced planters, and the builder indicated there was no way to mod them into custom firepots. In that case, I'm happy to keep them as-is, replanting new flowers every season since we kill pretty much anything we try to grow.

Hope this has been somewhat enjoyable, or at least informative. Feel free to ask me any questions. Here are the final photos (the missing nozzle on the sunshelf has since been addressed):
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Beautiful pool. Nice job in selecting your tile and final pool finish. You will enjoy this pool for years to come. Now... where is the photo of the pool equipment pad. We love photos. It was worth the wait, too. :cool:
 
Beautiful pool. Nice job in selecting your tile and final pool finish. You will enjoy this pool for years to come. Now... where is the photo of the pool equipment pad. We love photos. It was worth the wait, too. :cool:
Thanks very much! Did not think of snapping a pic of the equipment, but will do so tonight and report back. I'm hoping I don't find out it's a crazy mess of pipes when the experts here have a look. ;)

Also, a couple of things I forgot to mention: we paid the extra to add Shimmering Sea to the plaster, and we are happy we did. It is a subtle effect, but with the right light and at the right angle, it's pretty cool. We also installed two new umbrella sleeves on the deck near the sun-shelf (originally asked to install one *in* the sun-shelf, but the builder recommended against it). And we had the deck-o-seal redone because it had seen better days.
 
So you have 2 brains. Did you use one of them to get a test kit ? We need to keep that beauty a beauty.

Also take a moment and Fill out your signature. Go buck wild with details, equipment and model #s. When you need to ask a question, we don't need to ask you 3 questions back. Help us, help you. :)

And Belated Welcome !!!
 
So you have 2 brains. Did you use one of them to get a test kit ? We need to keep that beauty a beauty.

Haha! I did not get a test kit. Should I be doing my own testing in addition to the startup provided by the builder? Since last year, we’ve relied entirely on a weekly pool service for chemicals/balancing. All I typically do is empty skimmers, run the robot, and net occasionally.
 
Should I be doing my own testing in addition to the startup provided by the builder?
It's a great time to learn while somebody else is responsible.
Since last year, we’ve relied entirely on a weekly pool service for chemicals/balancing. All I typically do is empty skimmers, run the robot, and net occasionally.
And we are going to add regular testing to the list. Don't worry it's stupid easy and a dozen attempts later it's second nature. A couple of mins is enough to bang out all of them, and FC /PH will take 1 min daily.

We have and endless stream of newbs coming in from pool services. Use one all you wish but use them with your direction, not just whatever mystery potions they want to dump in. In the long run it will save you a bunch because they charge extra for the silver bullets to fix their mismanagement.
 

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It's a great time to learn while somebody else is responsible.

And we are going to add regular testing to the list. Don't worry it's stupid easy and a dozen attempts later it's second nature. A couple of mins is enough to bang out all of them, and FC /PH will take 1 min daily.

We have and endless stream of newbs coming in from pool services. Use one all you wish but use them with your direction, not just whatever mystery potions they want to dump in. In the long run it will save you a bunch because they charge extra for the silver bullets to fix their mismanagement.
Makes a lot of sense. I know I should learn it... it's just mystifying. I will pick up a kit. :)
 
I know I should learn it... it's just mystifying
I am the biggest bozo there is and by the 3rd attempt I was kicking myself for being so worried about it.

We will even tell you what the results mean and what to tell the pool service you want to do.

I will pick up a kit.
TF-100 from tftestkits.net or Talyor K-2006C from the inrerwebs. If going Taylor, the "C" is important as the plain one is much smaller in doses.

The TF-100 is guaranteed fresh. The 2006C may have been resold and sat on both shelves.

Either way, a Taylor smart stir ($40?) Is the best thing you can buy for your pool.
 
Part 3: Where's the Equipment?

As requested, here are some pictures of the current equipment setup. I say "current" because I got a text from the builder today telling me he is having trouble getting the new Omni controller (Hayward) to connect to/communicate with our filter pump (Pentair), heater (Jandy), and salt cell (Pentair). He told me he ordered a board he thinks will solve the pump and heater issues, but as far as he can tell I may need a new salt cell from Hayward in order for them to communicate. *sigh* It's been a good relationship so far, and this is literally the first issue that's cropped up, so I did not fly off the handle or anything. But I did pointedly ask him how such a thing could happen--after, all didn't they consider my existing equipment when selling me an automation package? He was very apologetic, and the owner of the company called me a few hours later to tell me it will all get worked out, and if I need a new salt cell, they'll pay the tab. So, I'm happy with the solution, even though I suspect I would be better off using a Pentair controller, since most of the existing equipment is Pentair:

Equipment.jpg
Omni 2.jpg
Omni.jpg

If anyone has an opinion on whether a mismatch among components is going to cause me issues, I'd be glad to hear it. Not sure I could get the builder to do much more than they're already offering, but if it's worth it for me to pony up additional dough to go all Pentair, please let me know. Other than the heater and water feature pump, I guess, which are already mismatched (Jandy). And, as long as I'm at it, check out this rust on the spa pump (Pentair):
Spa pump.jpg

It's been like that since we bought the home, but is it a sign I will need to replace the pump soon? The prior, manual equipment on the wall was also very rusty, which I think was attributable to the prior owner venting air from the filter, which sprays everything to the right of it with salt water. Since I've used a service since then, I don't know if they also vent it after emptying baskets, but either way I hate to see the rust. Not enough to replace things that don't need replacing, but what do you think?

Really appreciate all the kind words and helpful advice so far. This is just the start of our journey, so I'm sure I will have many more questions as time goes on.
 
Hi everyone! Recently joined this forum to explore options when renovating our pool. I fully intended to post progress photos as we went, but it's been a very hectic couple of months and while I did an okay job getting some photos, I never found the time to upload them. Apologies if a photo-dump at the tail end is less exciting, but I thought I would share in case our process or results were informational or interesting to anyone here (or anyone looking in the future). We purchased a new home in the SE Texas area in March of 2021, and it came complete with our first swimming pool--a roughly 15'x40' saltwater pool, 10-years old, with quartz plaster and an adjoining spa. The pool featured one large tanning shelf and a somewhat small shelf on the opposite side, adjacent to the spa. Not sure of the exact depth otherwise, but it is probably about 4-feet on either end, and approximately 5 or 5.5 in the middle. This is a photo of the pool when we initially viewed the home and put in our offer (also notice the mostly-healthy trees... more on that later):

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We absolutely loved the pool which, although a decade old, still looked modern and fit perfectly in the surrounding space. We would have had no inclination to change anything about it, but unfortunately, sometime between making an offer and closing the sale, a rust spot developed on the bottom of the pool. As a pool noob, I had no idea what it was, and the prior owner claimed it was a stain from a leaf that had blown into the pool during a long freeze that shut down power and water for a couple of weeks. After having it looked at by a couple of pool builders, we determined it was actually a crack in the plaster where rebar was bleeding through. Between March and mid-summer, it gradually stained the bottom of the pool, which we tried to address with metal treatments, but that resulted in nothing more than a couple bouts of stubborn algae and metal stains that faded but just came back in days. Here are some pictures of the rust spot, as well as the spreading stains:

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Our pool servicer tried to patch the crack on two occasions, digging out the plaster and chipping down, then filling it with some kind of waterproof material, but it did not last either time. Within a few weeks, the rust always started bleeding through again (and we still couldn't get rid of the existing/continuing stains). Picture of the patch job with returning rust:
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By the end of last year (November-ish), we were pretty sure we just wanted to wait until winter and possibly resurface the pool, especially since both builders who looked at the issue spotted other cracks in the plaster in other locations. They said it was primarily aesthetic, and that we could probably go a few more years without addressing anything, but at that point I was pretty obsessed with making my "brand new" pool look perfect. We might still have waited a year or two, honestly, but we were also frustrated by a problem with the water feature. As you can see in the photos above, one side of the pool has a stacked stone wall that was apparently intended to operate as a "weeping" wall, with water trickling down across its length. Unfortunately, the original builder did not do a good job with the effect, resulting in a torrent of water at one end, and a bare trickle at the other. Again, something we were resigned to deal with for awhile, but in December we noticed the waterwall was also leaking in multiple spots across the back whenever it was turned on. Which explained a bunch of issues we'd had with dying trees in the adjoining garden (due to a somewhat steady diet of chlorinated saltwater). So, we decided in mid-December that we had to repair the waterwall, anyway, so we might as well just tackle everything at once. Here are some pictures of the malfunctioning wall, and the leaks:


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In January 2022, we interviewed a couple of pool builders and got quotes for the work. Before going any further, I should probably brace you for this: I think we may be the only people in the history of pool-owning to spend the amount of money we ultimately decided to spend for the sole purpose of renovating a pool to look pretty much like it did before spending the money. Heckle me if you must, but I swear fixing all of the little things added up in our heads and made sense (and we don't regret it, so far). In addition to the problems noted above, we also had no pool lights. The spa light was broken when we purchased (which we knew), and then the pool light crapped out around seven months later. Between the cracks, the stains, the weird and leaky water feature, and the lights, there was a lot to do that is not evident on the surface. We also decided to automate everything--in for a penny, in for a pound, as they say. Upgrading to a pebble finish also seemed like a no-brainer, since the quotes for pebble and quartz weren't that far off, although it did ultimately balloon the price more than expected when we chose a builder who would not re-plaster unless they also re-tiled. We actually really liked the original tile and would have left it alone--just sandblasted away the stains and scaling--but they claimed the join between tile and plaster is a big deal and they could not warrant a job where they don't also do the tile. Seemed like a bit of a stretch, but we really liked their work, so the deal was done. We looked at a variety of tile and almost really went nuts with this one:


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...but we weren't really sure our subdued and somewhat natural pool design would look right with such a wild pattern. Plus, the pool builder kept saying it was "beautifully unique," which I sort of interpreted as "something you will regret later." It also turned out to be more expensive than our tile allowance would allow, so that made the decision with us--we would stick to our guns and go with a tile close to our original look. We looked at the below samples and ultimately chose the tile in the upper left, below:

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...and with that I've discovered only 10 files can be attached to posts in this forum. Fair enough. Instead of a single, long post-mortem of a pool remodel, you will get two posts to (hopefully) enjoy. Stay tuned...
I’m late to the party, but your story pulled me in. I agree the existing to is modern and beautiful. I’m really sorry to read about the issues you are or were experiencing. Let me continue reading.
 
Just FYI - your trees likely didn’t die from your pool water. There’s a blight all around Texas and your new trees are likely to pick it up from the soil of your previous trees. Just wanted to warn you when they inevitably die off.


 
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