Water loss

May 21, 2017
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MA
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Ironically I am also in MA as the OP is. I still consider myself a pool newbie and am having a similar problem as of the last few weeks to month. This is only my second season with the pool and last year I never had to fill it once. Lately I've had to add water every 4 or so days since its getting below the skimmer. I believe the bucket test showed the pool was losing 1/3"-1/2" in 24 hours. I honestly could run another test to be more accurate. I put the 5 gallon bucket on my top step with only a few inches of water in it. Is this still valid or does it need to have more water in it?

The thing that concerns me is I have the cover on most of the time as we don't swim a ton. I am still losing this amount of water. I also did a test where I plugged all return jets and skimmers as well as shut all valves at the equipment. I still lost similar amount of water in 24 hours. I had a pool company come out and die test around obvious areas such as stairs, light, jets and they came up empty (I was not home to watch).

One thing I did find was the vinyl liner around the top stair wall is puffed up and seems to be deforming a bit on one of the stairs. The pool company claims there are no leaks there per die test and that this is normal if the water gets too low. I had assumed this meant water was getting behind it causing this problem and thus the leak must have been around the stairs. Pool company says nope. They left me with the advice to let the water drain until the leak is found. This seemed a bit excessive and expensive to me and might mean the end of using my pool for the season too.

Any other suggestions or insight? I appreciate any help.
 
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I was also advised by the pool company to just shut the line for the skimmers and run the pump with just the main drain cycling the water for filtering. Is this advisable? Since once the level drops below the skimmer it will be sucking in air.

Could the puffy liner and distortion be do to other issues? Any truth to the statement from the pool company that if there is less water there it could allow the liner to puff out like that?
 
I was also advised by the pool company to just shut the line for the skimmers and run the pump with just the main drain cycling the water for filtering. Is this advisable?
That's fine. If the tear is anywhere below the skimmer that's your only way to keep water moving. As for the puffiness, liners can do that for a couple reasons. Sometimes water can actually seep inwards from the soil from the outside-in and cause a bulge. In other cases, if the water level was allowed to get too low, the shell/liner might lose its support and the liner could come dislodged. Hard to tell at this point for that top step. Odd things can happen when the step seams become compromised. At some point you may need to post a pic of that top stair area. We have some top-notch folks in the industry who can give some good advice on that topic.
 
Posting a couple pics of the puffy area of the liner by my stairs. The the liner above the first step is where it is puffy. Also the edge where the pool wall meets the first step landing is coming up (its not flush in the right angle formed. You can also see some deformation on one of the step edges. Any advice on the liner is appreciated.

I am currently in the middle of some trips so am trying to run an extended bucket test with the bucket nearly full to be more accurate. Will update with more results when I return in a few days.

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Hova- I’m probably the only one who gets your screen name LOL.

Find a contractor with a leaktrac2100 machine.
I don’t know where you are in mass, but if near heritage pool company - call them they are serious pool folks.
 
Hova- I’m probably the only one who gets your screen name LOL.

Find a contractor with a leaktrac2100 machine.
I don’t know where you are in mass, but if near heritage pool company - call them they are serious pool folks.

I guess you figured out I'm not the religious type ;-)

Any advice on what I can do about the liner? Is this something I could leave until next season or is there risk of something getting worse if it freezes over the winter? Not home right now to see if I can hear anything. I would assume it's going to be hard to hear anything through the stone deck? It is squishy and seems like moisture could be back there.

I checked the company you mentioned and they are over an hour away unfortunately.
 
I guess you figured out I'm not the religious type ;-)

Any advice on what I can do about the liner? Is this something I could leave until next season or is there risk of something getting worse if it freezes over the winter? Not home right now to see if I can hear anything. I would assume it's going to be hard to hear anything through the stone deck? It is squishy and seems like moisture could be back there.

I checked the company you mentioned and they are over an hour away unfortunately.

That liner has a dumpster & razor blade in its near future. At a minimum maintain 1ft water on your shallow end floor, to keep the substrate from failing in winter.

On the other side, most safety covers can handle an 18” hang over a water level & carry a snow load.

You got 99 problems but this ain’t a big one..
 

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That liner has a dumpster & razor blade in its near future.

Do you think I am looking at a totally new liner because of this area by the stairs?

I did a more controlled bucket test while I was out of town and it looks like the pool lost 1.5" over 3.5 days. Bucket only lost 0.375". This was in 90 degree heat with the solar cover on the entire time. Looks like a leak.

Anyone have recommendations for good leak specialists south of Boston? I'm about 15 miles from Boston on the south shore. I'm hoping to find someone with the tool Ray mentioned or that specializes in finding leaks or repairing liners. I'm trying to avoid the "drain it until it stops" unless that's really all I have left. Thanks!
 
Welcome! :wave: You might end-up having to let the water level drop on its own for a while to see if/when it stops at a leaky area. Then you'll know for sure, especially if it does stop dropping at that top step. :wink:

Not an option with vynal over stairs, if entertaining the let it drop approach steps must be weighted with water tubes or sandbags and best effort to shield from sun. Vynal over treatments can talk a walk in a few hours.
 
I was also advised by the pool company to just shut the line for the skimmers and run the pump with just the main drain cycling the water for filtering. Is this advisable? Since once the level drops below the skimmer it will be sucking in air.

Could the puffy liner and distortion be do to other issues? Any truth to the statement from the pool company that if there is less water there it could allow the liner to puff out like that?

Yes. 8lbs a gallon keeps a liner pinned.
 
I'd recommend you call a few more pool companies, to see who can do an electronic leak detection. Or google "leak detection" for your area. Mine came out, and had a battery powered "gadget" where a stake with a ground wire is placed in the ground near the edge of the pool. They then run the opposite electrode up and down on all the walls and bottom of the pool using a long pole. If a tone is heard in the headphones the operator is wearing, they have found the leak. Works on the principle that vinyl is an insulator, but a circuit is completed between the water in the pool and the stake in the ground if there is a hole. The louder the tone generated, the closer to the hole they are. Took them about 1/2 hour total from pulling into the driveway, checking every inch of the pool, finding my two "pinhole" leaks, applying the patches, and driving away. Cost was about $200.
Start saving money though, if you've developed a couple of pinholes, you aren't too many seasons from needing a liner replacement. I'm on the second season since the leak detection, but since my liner is over 12 years old, know that I am living on borrowed time....
 
I posted on the other post as well. I've heard the same story from multiple people near me so I'm not convinced it's a leak. I lost 2 inches in a couple days and filled it back and it hasn't dropped a bit

I'm following this thread too and interested to see your progress

You can hire a diver for a couple hundred dollars who will put an electric charge into the pool and a probe outside the pool and the charge will seek ground which will only happen through a tear in the liner. They then use a directional listening device to find any leaks. I did it about 4 years ago and had great results
 
I posted on the other post as well. I've heard the same story from multiple people near me so I'm not convinced it's a leak. I lost 2 inches in a couple days and filled it back and it hasn't dropped a bit

I'm following this thread too and interested to see your progress

You can hire a diver for a couple hundred dollars who will put an electric charge into the pool and a probe outside the pool and the charge will seek ground which will only happen through a tear in the liner. They then use a directional listening device to find any leaks. I did it about 4 years ago and had great results

Thanks for posting. My water loss at this point I'm convinced is consistent after this latest 3+ day bucket test. Still losing regardless of temp, rain, no rain, etc. I would love to be wrong though trust me.

The liner is 11+ years old and I'm learning this is about the time things could start to happen. What did I sign up for buying a house with my first pool?!?! :( . Can any experts ballpark what replacing a liner in a 20x40' pool would be with deep end that slopes in the middle from about 3' to 10' deep?

If it is the liner should I be in a rush to do this before winter? Or limp it by until next season? I just don't want it to cause any other damage with freezing, etc if that could be an issue.
 

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