It's unnecessary. If it's difficult to work with, get rid of it. I don't have plastic sheeting in my pool.
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I'm not sure what it is. It seems like plastic which I know is a no-no, but this guy we bought it from didn't cut any corners. I considering skipping it, but someone posted a response on another thread which referred to what I'm hoping is the same : "My 21 foot was just installed today and the bottom track was leveled sand brought in and leveled then dampened and smoothed then the wall and uprights and next was the happy bottom or just call it black PVC sheeting trimmed to fit and seamed with duct tape that was topped off with the Foam coping and closed cell 1/4 foam padding then the liner." So I went with it. Finally seeing the end.....on my way! Just hoping to get enough help to lift the liner in today. As I type cove is not attached yet so I'll check back to see if I did anything that def should be changed??
FYI for anyone reading for info -- I ended up removing the prior attached coving from the sheeting. Train of thought is when reconstructing a used pool, there is no way it can be exactly the same size/shape as the first time. Spread the "plastic" evenly, which does go an inch or two up walls and covers the track (I figured a little extra protection). The cove is laying on it and the gorilla pad covers the cove. I'm thinking the sheeting wasn't necessary with the pad, but what the heck, I had it and the location of the pool makes it prone to surrounding growth. I noticed today there a lot of views on this post. If you search the net you will find varying instructions on what order to place these underliner accessories. If you think about it, in the end you need ground protection and a cove. I believe if it lays flat, it will work. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, there was 'someone' in this household that believed tamping was not necessary due to the weight of the (ever so anticipated) water. I found this not to be true. After an attempt to lay these bottom covers and cove I found the sand lumpy and bumpy from feet, elbows and knees. I peeled back the covers, hand tamped, swept lightly and dampened with light hose spray. I was then able to work in the pool in socks and ended up with very very minimal indents. I did avoid hands and knees when maneuvering around the edge. Satisfaction!
FYI for anyone reading for info -- I ended up removing the prior attached coving from the sheeting. Train of thought is when reconstructing a used pool, there is no way it can be exactly the same size/shape as the first time. Spread the "plastic" evenly, which does go an inch or two up walls and covers the track (I figured a little extra protection). The cove is laying on it and the gorilla pad covers the cove. I'm thinking the sheeting wasn't necessary with the pad, but what the heck, I had it and the location of the pool makes it prone to surrounding growth. I noticed today there a lot of views on this post. If you search the net you will find varying instructions on what order to place these underliner accessories. If you think about it, in the end you need ground protection and a cove. I believe if it lays flat, it will work. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, there was 'someone' in this household that believed tamping was not necessary due to the weight of the (ever so anticipated) water. I found this not to be true. After an attempt to lay these bottom covers and cove I found the sand lumpy and bumpy from feet, elbows and knees. I peeled back the covers, hand tamped, swept lightly and dampened with light hose spray. I was then able to work in the pool in socks and ended up with very very minimal indents. I did avoid hands and knees when maneuvering around the edge. Satisfaction!
Just to add fuel to the fire...
My 27' ABG is so out of whack it is insane. Just to be clear, I did not do the initial install - it came with the house. To quote my neighbor, the original owner did all projects "in less than a day, as cheaply as possible, and usually involving a case of beer" - so you can imagine the accuracy of my pool.
It is - amazingly - within a 1/2 inch of level - but that is about it. The base plates are way off of equally spaced. When I put a new liner in this spring, I had to go around the pool a number of times to get all of the top channels to end up under a top plate, get all of the uprights at least semi-vertical, and to get all of the top rails to fit. Most of my uprights are about a 1/4" out of plumb, in order to make up the spacing differences between the lower plates. There is also a nice horizontal crease in the pool wall (nothing huge, about 18" long(. The point of all this is, while my plates may be out sorts of our of whack, the pool is level within requirements, the wall is in the bottom channel, and as near as I can tell, it is round. It has also been standing in this way for the 3 years I have lived here, and approximately 5 years before I moved in.
As for what is under my liner - sand base. I went back a forth between a gorilla pad or not, and decided not to use one. When I removed the old liner, there was a LOT of algae (or something) under it. I scraped off the top 1/4" of sand, and sprayed what was left with straight bleach and let it sit. I did use wall foam and foam cove. The wall foam is nice, but I don't think it was worth the money and effort (it is a bit of a pain to get it on smoothly - especially if there is wind). The foam cove, I would pay double for (almost). That is great stuff. Makes the cove very even, make vacuuming the pool easier, and I feel it makes installing the liner easier (because you don't worry about messing up the cove).
-dave
My 27' ABG is so out of whack it is insane. Just to be clear, I did not do the initial install - it came with the house. To quote my neighbor, the original owner did all projects "in less than a day, as cheaply as possible, and usually involving a case of beer" - so you can imagine the accuracy of my pool.
It is - amazingly - within a 1/2 inch of level - but that is about it. The base plates are way off of equally spaced. When I put a new liner in this spring, I had to go around the pool a number of times to get all of the top channels to end up under a top plate, get all of the uprights at least semi-vertical, and to get all of the top rails to fit. Most of my uprights are about a 1/4" out of plumb, in order to make up the spacing differences between the lower plates. There is also a nice horizontal crease in the pool wall (nothing huge, about 18" long(. The point of all this is, while my plates may be out sorts of our of whack, the pool is level within requirements, the wall is in the bottom channel, and as near as I can tell, it is round. It has also been standing in this way for the 3 years I have lived here, and approximately 5 years before I moved in.
As for what is under my liner - sand base. I went back a forth between a gorilla pad or not, and decided not to use one. When I removed the old liner, there was a LOT of algae (or something) under it. I scraped off the top 1/4" of sand, and sprayed what was left with straight bleach and let it sit. I did use wall foam and foam cove. The wall foam is nice, but I don't think it was worth the money and effort (it is a bit of a pain to get it on smoothly - especially if there is wind). The foam cove, I would pay double for (almost). That is great stuff. Makes the cove very even, make vacuuming the pool easier, and I feel it makes installing the liner easier (because you don't worry about messing up the cove).
-dave
Thanks for your input, Dave. The previous owner sounds ever so slightly familiar. Lol. I'm sure in the end my extra effort will be worth it and I won't worry about imperfections as much since I read your post. I think your algae reference may be leaning towards a 'yeah' for my extra liner. (Casey, I just saw your post.) Once I removed the foam cove from the plastic it was easy to work with. A few of the foam cove pieces are slightly scrunched at the corners, but with the pad appearing to reach over , I'm not going to worry about it.
5bucks, there is more than one way to skin a cat. lol dumb says, I know... But it's true. As long as it gets done. Just think, 3 years ago, it was unheard of to use foam boards n now look at how many people are using them.
Please post pics!
Please post pics!
Just to be clear, I am an engineer by trade. Having the pool out of level by 1/2" and with non-plumb uprights bothers me every time I look at it.
However, when we were replacing the liner, and I told my wife that I was planning on replacing all of the blocks under the uprights, resetting the whole pool, and while I was at it, adding a bonding halo around the pool and it would take a few weeks of working nights and weekends and require the rental of a transit and a compactor, plus a load of materials, she gave me the "here we go again with another over engineered project" look and I thought the better of it.
-dave
So long as it is not cool or cold you should be fine. The hotter the better for the liner BUT worse on the people LOL
Kim
Kim
I hate the way you have to log in to this thing to see responses....I think I'm logged in and no answers and then when I go to post it says I'm not!! Anyway, I typed this before I saw your answer, Kim....
Well, mute point about the liner. I've had it spread out in the sun all day. Just finishing up the base, foam cove and padding and......I'm about a foot short on the coving. The VERY LAST piece had been cut shorter than the others! Does that mean I erected it more efficiently than the original installers?!
Ughh. Where am I going to find one piece of cove? Is it stupid to think I could put sand there? Plus now I'm more worried about reusing the liner! It is in excellent shape by the way. Much heavier than any I've ever had with my smaller pool. I guess I'm gonna spray it a bit and fold it up. I am so sad. I have to work tomorrow and Thursday. My earlier question about the heat was bc I realized I was running out of sunshine to work with the liner. It had been out all day. If anyone has an opinion on that, let me know bc I could feasibly open it up in the a.m. and shoot for placing it tomorrow evening. That would give me a few hours to work with it before dark. That's all IF I figurte out something for the missing piece of cove.....
Well, mute point about the liner. I've had it spread out in the sun all day. Just finishing up the base, foam cove and padding and......I'm about a foot short on the coving. The VERY LAST piece had been cut shorter than the others! Does that mean I erected it more efficiently than the original installers?!
Ughh. Where am I going to find one piece of cove? Is it stupid to think I could put sand there? Plus now I'm more worried about reusing the liner! It is in excellent shape by the way. Much heavier than any I've ever had with my smaller pool. I guess I'm gonna spray it a bit and fold it up. I am so sad. I have to work tomorrow and Thursday. My earlier question about the heat was bc I realized I was running out of sunshine to work with the liner. It had been out all day. If anyone has an opinion on that, let me know bc I could feasibly open it up in the a.m. and shoot for placing it tomorrow evening. That would give me a few hours to work with it before dark. That's all IF I figurte out something for the missing piece of cove.....
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Not sure why it does that twice, uhhh...3 times. Sorry.
I had wanted to tape to the walls and have the wall pad hang over but forgot. I only had a couple done but the gorilla tape (no, I'm not into apes) was thinning the wall pad pretty much when I tried to remove so this is what I got. I'll post with the pad down tomorrw. How picky should I be about very minor wrinkles?
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ONE piece??????? AND they had it?????????? You are smiling right today!
Winkles--------it is YOUR pool. Get as many out as you can. What is left is what you will have to deal with in the future so.......It is up to you!
Kim
Winkles--------it is YOUR pool. Get as many out as you can. What is left is what you will have to deal with in the future so.......It is up to you!
Kim
OK. I just had a terrible thought...is that wall pad going to tear as the pool fills because it's taped?
I put up wall foam and foam cove with a normal sand bottom.
I duct taped all the seams (triple taped) the joints in the cove and the joint between the cove and the wall foam. I did not use gorilla tape, but instead used white duct tape because I was concerned about being able to see the black tape through the liner. In retrospect, I don't think you would be able to, but I was playing it safe.
I put my wall foam up with spray adhesive, and then did the cove and then taped everything. Nothing came loose. I do have a few wrinkles, so of which are actually in the wall foam itself. Not too many, and nothing that I can't live with. I *could* remove a few separate sections of top cap and get the waterline wrinkles out, but that level of ambition has not set in yet.
About the only thing that I am upset about is that I have found one sharp something (feels like a small rock) under the liner bottom. I have no idea how I missed it, but I know where it is. I keep an eye on it, and if I start to loose water, I know where to patch. Just bothers me that I missed it.
-dave
I duct taped all the seams (triple taped) the joints in the cove and the joint between the cove and the wall foam. I did not use gorilla tape, but instead used white duct tape because I was concerned about being able to see the black tape through the liner. In retrospect, I don't think you would be able to, but I was playing it safe.
I put my wall foam up with spray adhesive, and then did the cove and then taped everything. Nothing came loose. I do have a few wrinkles, so of which are actually in the wall foam itself. Not too many, and nothing that I can't live with. I *could* remove a few separate sections of top cap and get the waterline wrinkles out, but that level of ambition has not set in yet.
About the only thing that I am upset about is that I have found one sharp something (feels like a small rock) under the liner bottom. I have no idea how I missed it, but I know where it is. I keep an eye on it, and if I start to loose water, I know where to patch. Just bothers me that I missed it.
-dave
I'm pretty comfortable with all the foam at this point. How far up did your pad go over the foam cove, Dave? This one is cut unevenly but at this point I think my dedication to perfection is waning. I'm going to trim so none is over the cove bc I'm thinking it would show with a tight liner??? I'm not expecting the gorilla pad to be too forgiving and there are some very minor wavy spots too, hard to describe.
I did not use a pad - just wall foam and foam cove.
My understanding is that the cove is the LAST thing placed. wall foam and pad go in, and then the foam cove goes over both of them.
Well guys, I am tempted to give up. I do understand this is something that should be done in a day, but I am on my own and it is not possible. The liner did not go in wed or Thursday due to me having to work. Last night a brief yet severe storm hit and our top clips which were used to stake the uprights did not hold. West end of the pool collapsed and came out of the tracks. In addition, water ran underneath the pool base.
:grrrr::-x I can understand why you would feel that way. So much work undone I wish I lived closer to help you!
Kim
I wish I lived closer to help you!Kim