Time between Acid and Chlorine

Mixing is a definite no no.
Let all chem additions fully mix for 10 to 30 min or so & be sure they are fully dissolved.
 
Well... are you asking about what we're supposed to say, or what I actually do. I dose chlorine and Muriatic acid just a few minutes apart. But both go in very slowly at the pace of a 1/8" stream, right over a return (I have a gizmo that does that for me), so there are no big "puddles" underwater that could mix together. That's in the dead of winter. Rest of the season my chlorine and acid are both dispensed automatically. But I bring that up to sort of justify my manual adding MO. The IntelliChlor and the IntellipH, that are dispensing automatically, are "aware" of each other. The IpH controller shuts down the IC right before it dispenses, presumably so that it doesn't pump acid into the active cell where chlorine is being made on the fly. After dispensing, the IpH will restart the IC. I haven't studied it much, but I think I've seen those events occur very close in time. Which has led me to fudge the general rule of duration between dosing.

If you're dosing slowly in front of a return, 10 minutes apart would seem to be very safe.
 
@Dirk ... curious how you have your IntellipH setup with your IC40. I'm currently researching automated acid delivery, and initially decided against the Pentair solution due to tank size and cost. But if having the IC40 engaged, and acid dosing at the same time, is problematic .... then maybe I really need to revisit.

Does the IntellipH connect to your EasyTouch system, along with the IC40? So the Easy Touch is controlling both .... or do you have stand alone controllers for the IC40 and IntellipH units, apart from the EasyTouch?

Also curious what hardware you got for the IntellipH. Is it monitoring the water's pH level and dosing based on the results, or is it just a time/dose system which injects a set amount over a selected period of time.

Happy to start a separate thread if needed, as not to hijack this one ...
 
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Iph system does not measure pH. Works similarly to IC. You set a percent, and it doses once per hour. The % setting determines for how long it injects. That's it. Pentair was very careful about how the two work together. I really like that. SWGs are generally placed last in the system. You definitely don't want acid pumping into an active SWG. Those two elements mixed together produce a highly toxic substance (can't remember which, but bad). So if you were DIYing something together (like Stenner and IC), I think you have to work around this issue, via timers. Plus, the IpH relies on the IC's flow sensor, so that it doesn't pump acid into your pipes when there is no flow to the pool. Very nice feature.

So that's all the kudos Pentair gets. The IpH has it's own stand-alone controller, and is not controlled, or even configurable through the ET, nor ScreenLogic! Which really sucks. That could easily be so, but I half-suspect that in doing so they think they would compromise their IntelliChem product's market share. I believe the IntelliChem is fully controlled by ET. Bummer they did it that way. ($$$$$$$)

I looked at the IntelliChem, but ruled it out for several reasons.
- It's expensive.
- It's another complication.
- It's more electronics in an anti-electronics environment (water, temp, salt, etc)
- And, reportedly (here), it doesn't work all that great.

It's supposed to both test and dose your pool. It uses ORP for chlorine and a probe for pH, and both are problematic. ORP doesn't measure FC. It somehow tries to "convert" what it is measuring to how much chlorine is in the water, and doses accordingly. But it doesn't do that all that well (from what I've read here). And a pH probe needs to be calibrated periodically to function well. Further, ORP does not function well (or at all?) with a CYA of over 30, so what does one do about TFP protocols that call for a CYA of 70+ when there is an SWG? (I have no idea). I think the IntelliChem was more designed for chlorine injection, which it does, but they "bolted on" the SWG compatibility for those that really wanted it (conveniently ignoring, or unaware, of this CYA issue).

Bottom line, I realized that the IntelliChem was not reliable enough to "set it and forget it." That, to be prudent, you'd still need to test your water periodically to make sure it was working as expected. What is periodically? Seems once a week would be prudent. Which is all I have to test with my IC/IpH setup! So why spring for another $1000 gizmo?!? That was my conclusion.

Granted, the Iph and IC also introduce more electronics than I like at my pad, and they both require periodic maintenance (SWG cell inspections/cleanings and IpH parts inspections and replacements, due to acid wear). So the two systems are not so far apart in that regard. Stenner solutions, I'm sure, have similar requirements.

But overall, the amount of work the two save me far outweigh the other considerations and I can whole-heartedly recommend them, especially if you have a Pentair automation controller. But regardless of how you add chemicals, no system will eliminate daily attention to your pool.

Oh, the IpH requires the presence of an IC, it cannot be installed without one. The IC plugs into the IpH, then the IpH plugs into the IC's transformer (whether that transformer is inside the ET, or in it's own box). The two will work without an ET, just fine. Just as the IC can. But with the IpH in that setup, you get the finer controls for the IC that the ET provides: specifically, a stand-alone IC can only meter out 10%, 20%, etc. With the ET, or the IpH, you get the finer 1% increment adjustments.

And finally, whew!, the ET's control over the IC remains when the IpH is in the loop, only the IpH cannot be controlled with the ET.
 
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Awesome, thanks so much! So it seems this kit has everything needed? The IntellipH controller, the tank, and the pump.

I have an EasyTouch PS-4 with SCG integration. So it seems I can connect the IntellipH directly to my EasyTouch, then use the IntellipH controls to set the acid demand, and I continue to use the EasyTouch controls for the IC40 cell? Or, do I then have to use the IntellipH for the IC40 cell as well, and the Easy Touch will no longer be used?

I read the manual, but it really isn't clear ...

 
The former. IpH through IpH controller, IC through ET. The IpH controller's screen will report the ICs settings, and IC status, but it's not clear if you can control the IC using either ET or IpH when connected to ET. For sure you can still control IC with ET, that's how I do it. Actually, I use ScreenLogic to set my IC, which works the same way as it did pre-IpH.

That kit looks to be what I bought, though I used Amazon. Similar price. Just love the way they'll take anything back, pre-paid shipping, for just about any reason. You might compare prices and return policies.
 
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