Test to use less 0871

May 8, 2017
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Cartersville ga
Hi all :D

Im in the middle of a slam and i could swear last year i read there was a way to test where each 0871 drop counted as 1 instead of 0.5. Am i imagining that or is there a way to do that? I currently fill to 10 and test with each drop equaling 0.5


Thanks!!
 
I thought it was 5ml of POOL water with 5ml of DISTILLED water (for the FAS-DPD test) and which makes each drop ~ "1ppm" FC/CC (approx) (cannot be used to verify CC as already stated)
You still need to be testing a 10ml sample
 
I thought it was 5ml of POOL water with 5ml of DISTILLED water (for the FAS-DPD test) and which makes each drop ~ "1ppm" FC/CC (approx) (cannot be used to verify CC as already stated)
You still need to be testing a 10ml sample
There really is no "official" procedure or method for 5 ml sampling. It doesn't work well for the methods we teach
 
I thought it was 5ml of POOL water with 5ml of DISTILLED water (for the FAS-DPD test) and which makes each drop ~ "1ppm" FC/CC (approx) (cannot be used to verify CC as already stated)
You still need to be testing a 10ml sample

There really is no "official" procedure or method for 5 ml sampling. It doesn't work well for the methods we teach

This would be for mid-SLAM Process HIGH (20+) FC testing (reagent saving). NOT for daily maintenance testing =)
 
Well I’m down to 2 test a day now so i guess I’ll stick to 10ml. I have a refill of 0831( or whatever the numbers were), coming this week. I was starting to get nervous since i was testing so much but i think i will make it now. But as always i still learned from you all again with your answers . Thanks!!
 
My thought here is that once you reduce volumes of testing, the equipment included in the test kits is not suitable for accuracy. For instance the vials or beaker used may not perform linearly at low levels, and the judgement of the meniscus becomes much more important as a source of error. The number of drops is important in titrations because as the number of drops required to determine endpoint is reduced so the resolution decreases. Similarly, the dropper bottles will not dispense drops of equal volume, they are engineered for testing average over several drops. Add to this the fact that the drop size depends on the particular solution being dispensed (see later).

The only way to test consistently and with good resolution with reduced volume sampling would be to move to scientific glassware and syringes (for both pool water and reagent dispensing) which would cost ten times more than buying the reagents, and testing would be a lot more cumbersome. You would also need to know the concentrations of the reagents and specific reactivity for calculations to move from counting drops to counting reagent volume. A decent syringe or burette for measuring 5 ml (glass) might be $50, one for measuring fractions of a ml (glass) perhaps $80. An easier dispenser with disposable tips can be about $300.

Having said that a 5ml medical syringe will dispense close enough, however the resolution of the test will be compromised because it is a drop basis test using a specific concentration of reagent.

I believe (I hope) that the Taylor folk did all the work to make kits that could be used easily and with reagent concentrations, dispensing, and test vessels that enabled them to be sold for somewhere between $50 and $100, be easily used, and be of appropriate quality for the task at hand. In this they most likely use spectrophotometers, other instruments, volumetric glassware, employ technicians, and engage manufacturers in the development of their vials, dropper bottles and so on to have appropriate manufacturing consistency. They performed some development relating to drop volume and concentrations of the reagents so that the particular tests could be performed on a drop count basis.
 

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an easy way to simulate a 5mL sample with less error is to dilute a larger sample. eg, in a separate beaker, add 25mL pool water and 25mL DI water, mix, then analyze 10mL sample of that in normal way. again, this would be used only for high levels of CL at start of SLAM.
 
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