SLAM vs drain and refill

indiopg

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Indio, CA
Hi All,

I've been lurking for awhile after cutting ties with suspect pool person and then pool store inconsistencies. Have been learning my new TF Pro test kit and think I have the basics understood. Thanks for all the fantastic info and confidence to try and take this on.

Believe we have mustard algae as there is discoloration in deep end but NOT directly where water fall hits the bottom. Also have a little discoloration on walls that eliminates pollen/dirt possibility. Most of it brushes off fairly easily but some require much more work, so much so that the stainless steel reinforcements just arrived. Upon removal of the Ledge Loungers, green algae was scrubbed off the underside. Since my water is clear, is this mustard algae or could it be some mix of different algae? Some spots appear to be more dark while others fit the mustard yellow/green bill. This will require a major intervention either way and I am getting my pH under 8.2 in preparation for SLAM. However, I began to wonder with all the issues I am facing (CH 1100?), when is it time to drain (full/partial) to scrub and refill with fresh vs SLAM? Pool is 4.5 years old and wasn't too expensive to fill in the first place and there is obviously a cost to SLAM and the time involved in scrubbing under water vs out. If I get a good filter to remove local calcium hardness, am I a good candidate to drain, scrub and refill now or better to SLAM, then mustard algae slam, then maintain?

Here is all the relevant info, please let me know any more info to add to my signature if its lacking:

22,098 gallon in ground mini pebble tech finish
stackstone waterfall runs off single pump
SoCal desert near Palm Springs so water temps have just gotten under 80 for first time in 5+ months
Salt cell broke just out of warranty and I've switched to liquid chlorine at beginning of summer
Pentair Intelliflow VCF pump
Cartridge filters
Atlas Polaris pool vac runs every day

Current testing (about to add more MA)
FC 8
CC .5
CH 1100
TA 110
pH 8.2+
CYA 60 (has been 50 so whichever number/trend makes more sense as I learn the black dot test)

Lastly, this discoloration/algae appeared at the end of summer when I backed the pump off from 12 hours a day to 8 and the water temps backed up to over 85. Simultaneously, pool vacuum hose began to unravel and pool went about a week and a half without vacuum as I navigated different hose replacement options. No discoloration before then while keeping the FC around 2-4 (which I've learned here is not correct).

Thanks for your thoughts and wisdom.

peter
 
You typically drain and refill for high CYA and Calcium. What is the calcium level of your fill water and do you know how your calcium got so high (fill water and use of powered shock/cal hypo is the most common).
 
Welcome to TFP!!! :shark:


If I get a good filter to remove local calcium hardness, am I a good candidate to drain, scrub and refill now or better to SLAM, then mustard algae slam, then maintain?
The only "filter" that will remove CH is Reverse Osmosis.


The other alternative is to do a "no drain water exchange," which can be found here.


Your CSI is VERY high=1.04 It is very possible that the "Staining" is in fact calcium scale that has dirt imbedded. To track CSI, turn on TRACK CSI and TRACK Temperature in pool math. If you don't have pool math, get it. Link-->PoolMath

If you have "spots" it may be black algae.

We really don't know what you are dealing with unless we can see it...

So, post pictures of the different areas of stains. What they look like, and what they are, may lead to very different answers on how, and what order to address.

I've been lurking for awhile after cutting ties with suspect pool person and then pool store inconsistencies.
If you have a good story, post it up!!!
 
Hi All,

Thanks for the fast wisdom. Hoping pics will be loaded below. I DO have pool math and will turn on the Track CSI function. Is it possible to have different kinds of algae at the same time? I can brush some of these spots easily and there is a definite yellow brown cloud that is created. However, the underlying stain doesn't really respond to brushing even though I am starting to try the stainless steel brush more. My files are too big except for this one. I am working on reducing and attaching as soon as I can.

Peter
 

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Let's not start scrubbing with a wire brush...let's work on identifying the stains...

 
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I vote to drain and refill rather than SLAM.... But this assumes you have cheap water...

What would it cost you to drain and refill your pool??

I can fill a 15K pool for less then $100 bucks, so it is a no brainer for me.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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Thank you Both! I am definitely in the camp that want to learn what I am dealing with before I treat it and will lay low on the steel brush. I think I have resized the photos...
 

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Reading through the different info, sure seems like I have a couple things that seemingly hit at once. I have 4 years of experience with the desert sand and know that the intermittent clouds I get while brushing is not dirt. I definitely had green algae on the bottom of the Ledge Lounger and underneath. However, the clouds look different. I also seem to have darker lines that seem way too straight and aren't effected by the nylon or, steel brush (previously). All of this happened over the last month.

Thank you for your wisdom and time.

peter
 
Thank you Both! I am definitely in the camp that want to learn what I am dealing with before I treat it and will lay low on the steel brush. I think I have resized the photos...
Follow the stain guide I posted to identify the stain. Then we can figure out the right next steps.
 
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while a drain & refill /water exchange will help your ch issues and may make your algae easier to handle at first it won’t necessarily fully eradicate the algae.
You will still need to do the
SLAM Process upon refill although it should be a bit easier/faster to accomplish as less organics will be present.
After you determine if you have staining & what kind this will factor into the equation/decision to exchange water as well as the order of operations.
 

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