Safety cover and water levels

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xenayes99

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May 30, 2017
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Atkinson, NH
First time closing a pool...I have read all the articles and am still confused. I have an inground pool (NH) and mesh safety cover. How low should the water be when closing? the pool store said 15-18" below the surface. But some say it should be higher so the cover can rest on the frozen water when it is full of snow.

Also, how the heck do we get the darn cover on? its so tight. any tips? All the videos on youtube seem to be about first installation and drilling holes, etc. I just want to get the darn thing on before more leaves get in there!
 
Most want the cover witchin 15" of the water.

Do you have the pipe tool for installing the cover? I find it easiest for the last few straps to start with the loop high on the pipe, then put my foot on the strap to push it down as I pull the pipe away from the pool to stretch the spring.
 
I believe most manufacturers say the water should be within 15" of the safety cover. When you began installing the straps onto the anchors of the pool did you follow any pattern? Our cover came with instructions and a pattern on which straps to attach in what order See Step 5. http://www.splashsupercenter.com/assets/Resources/Splash_Safety_Cover_Installation_Guide.pdf Also, if your straps are so tight that the springs are completely compressed, can you adjust the length of the straps so you can get the hooks on? Measurements for our cover are on Step 2, but I have found other covers to be similar.
 
Are you closing the pool, or is a PB closing the pool? Please make sure that they take the paramount cover off and blow out the lines properly. Each line will have to be closed up to create an air lock. There is a cylinder that spins in the system.

Unless for some reason, the system is designed different than what I have seen. My friend had one (empty). He had a new liner installed and they cut out the system from the floor and equipment pad completely. Thanks!
 
xenayes99 said:
Well the pool company did the closing but we are doing the cover. Is there a way to make sure they did the paramount correctly now?
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Can you take a picture of the system at the equipment pad and you may have to remove the cover. I was told by the manufacturer that they need to be plugged at the canister as there are no shut off valves to lock with air. You have a return line after the pump that runs to the system. The cylinder spins creating each head to pop up in the pool. Hopefully the pool company who closed yoru pool used Schrader valves with black plugs:

Thinking about closing my own pool but have some concerns

These plugs are placed in the plumbing and with an air compressor, the lines are cleared out. Neat little plug that khanair used.

Or I would recommend you call the company and asked them how they closed up the paramount system!
 
Paramount 6 Port Water Valve - 004-302-4184-03

Paramount 6 Port Water Valve - COMPLETE 004-302-4184-03

Paramount 004302415603 2in. Two Port Five Gear Control Water Valve, Black

The only other method from what I can gather is that this part is isolated with one valve and air was through the system for a while and then locked at the equipment pad. Hard to tell because I would have to see your system. Thanks!

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xenayes99 said:
There are 5 or 6 plugs that go to each line I️ know that. I️ assume they put them in. I️ could take off the cover and check I guess
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Yes, but there is only one line into the system and the cylinder spins creating each head to pop up one at a time. You would have to see under the cylinder.

I would not recommend taking anything apart because they may have closed this another way (not sure). Calling them is your best bet.

The concept of clearing lines is all the same. It is how you plug, lock air that differs slightly.
 

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Catanzaro said:
Are you closing the pool, or is a PB closing the pool? Please make sure that they take the paramount cover off and blow out the lines properly. Each line will have to be closed up to create an air lock. There is a cylinder that spins in the system.

Unless for some reason, the system is designed different than what I have seen. My friend had one (empty). He had a new liner installed and they cut out the system from the floor and equipment pad completely. Thanks!
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Paramount for the last 10 yrs or so, makes a proprietary shaped plug with shrader valve. & they recently discontinued the orange flat plugs (thank goodness!!) & made a cylindrical plug with one flat side to fit water valve.
 
Thanks Pool Guy. The only reason why I mentioned this is the piping that was cut out was exactly 1.5" and I believe the plugs would work. Called paramount and I remember them explaining this, but they said nothing about proprietary plugs. But at least now I know. Thanks and take care.

By chance do you have any pictures or part #'s for these proprietary blow out plugs?
 
Look what I found on the internet. The CSR when I called was not helpful and could have easily provided part #'s for the valves and where to obtain these instructions. This all had to do with a home for a friend under contract with a paramount system. I called to determine the set up for winterizing. The house purchase did not go through and they purchased a home without a pool and are starting fresh.

Please see links below. Same type of plugs, but I believe they may be proprietary and definitely a lot more expensive.

http://www.1paramount.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/winter.pdf

http://www.1paramount.com/downloads/manuals/062415WinterizationManualForWebsite.pdf

https://www.poolpartsonline.com/p-97559-paramount-winterizing-plug-pack-of-6.aspx?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping&utm_term=1101100460071&utm_content=Shopping

Paramount Set of Winterizing Plugs (6 Pack) 004-302-1672-00

You have to figure out if there is 1.5" or 2" in the system. Best to call and find out part #'s and then shop around. PoolPartsOnline.com will probably be the least expensive to order the parts.

Ray, I guess the Cyclone will really not help at this point and an air compressor will be the only option.
 
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Look what I found sitting on my laundry machine [emoji12]

Look at the water valve risers for pipe size & check for reducers/bushings..

Don't be a cheapskate & grind down a shrader plug, it will fall down the pipe..

You will need to remove the floor heads for those that are too shallow to airlock & insert #12, for these a cyclone will do since they get plugged.
Buy the paramount removal wrench, a couple seasons removing with improvised tools & heads will be mangled.

For the deeper ports that must be airlocked, compressor is mandatory. Pour a little antifreeze on top of plug, to make sure no bubbles- usually takes about 4 cranks beyond hand tight to seal these plugs.

That will get you through the paramount pressure side, if you have a true system there is more fun to be had on the suction side of this.

Catanzaro- blower & compressor per above is how I knock these things off.

Getting into features like these it's best to have a pro do it, I wouldn't even send a tech with a few seasons under his belt to do this one.


These repairs are big bucks & failures are discovered at apex of the busy season, just sayin'
 
PoolguyinCT:

The homeowner had a PB close his pool. I think we veered off the subject on the paramount system. Luckily I do not have one of these, but if ever I helped out a friend, the plugs will have to be purchased with no exception. Merely pointing out to xenayes99 that the paramount system requires a little TLC. Some things are best left to a professional. Take care!
 
Those are not even the (closing/blow-out) plugs that are necessary to clear out the lines, but could possibly work if plugged quickly and the air was locked and a tight seal was creaed. They probably just blew air in them and plugged them. Where is the cylinder? Did they put it back, you have it, or they have it? I would call them and request they come back and use the clear the lines again or request a refund. You should not allow these to be left this way.

Please report back to us on what you plan on doing. Thanks!

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Sorry it’s taken so long. So I took off the paramount cover and they only plugged 3 holes?! How awful is this? I put 4 more plugs in but could this have done damage if I hadn’t realized it?
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Again, as I mentioned before you need to call the PB. Secondly, I do not believe any damage was done because these lines go to the bottom of the pool and we have only had a few cold temperature drops overnight. Although, the lines should be winterized properly to prevent freezing water. There is a very low probability, but a few dollars spent now could save you a big headache down the road. A set of 6 is about $75 (see my link above) and with an air compressor you will be successful in clearing the lines. If you order over $100, there is free shipping. Lastly, try INYO Pools and see if they carry these and should be able to match the price as well. Mention the forum as we have a good relationship with them.

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The middle runs back to the return side of the pump housing and you will not need to plug at all. What you may want to do is plug the pump basket on the return side to the filter. If water came back in the basket, it could not enter the filter, therefore back in the system (If this makes sense)
 
It just dawned on me I don’t know where the cylinder is. Why would they take it? We have never used them before but they come highly recommended.

I’m confused as to what it is supposed to look like. Are all the holes supposed to be plugged? They are supposed to use different plugs? They poured antifreeze in there on top of the plugs which seemed odd but I have no idea what I’m doing here.
 

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