Hello everyone,
Long time lurker, but finally created an account as I need to make some expensive decisions soon and would love some input.
TLR
Thinking of replacing my heliocol with poor sun placement with a heat pump as the replacement and running costs of the heat pump appear to be way less than those of solar. Read on for the full story.
Backstory:
I moved into my house 8 years ago now and it already had heliocol panels installed. The direction they face isn't optimal IMO (30 degrees north of west...), so they're really only able to heat the pool for an extra ~2 months extra a year from Late April - June. Pool is perfect to swim in without the heaters from Late-June/July to September. However, they've started to leak (after only being 10 years old), and I've been plugging the leaking capillaries, but the time will come when I need to replace all the panels likely later this year.
Replacement:
With only 10 years of life on them, heliocol has quoted me 450 per panel (for just the panel itself), or 600 per panel for them to replace. I have 10 total panels. So I'm looking at a replacement cost of 6K (or 4.5K if I do it myself) for something that only extends my swimming season 2 months (likely because of the terrible placement) and will only last me likely only 10 more years here in Arizona. (Side note: My old panels were terra cotta/red colored, not sure if that increases the speed at which they degrade compared to the black ones, but heliocol only sells black panels now so I would need to replace them with black). Also, if I had better roof placement, I'd like to think I could get twice as much heat out of them, or have fewer panels....
Heat Pump:
I've read that some people can get 100-140K BTU heat pumps for only about 3-4K dollars, plus installation. Which would be at least a thousand dollars likely less overall than the price to replace the heliocol. Since my pool is only 11K gallons and because I have a demand plan that reduces my electric costs to 6cents per kWh, this heat pump could heat the pool in the same April-June spring months whenever I wanted to use it for only like 2-3 dollars and a few hours of wait time. I'd imagine that it would last longer than 10 years, and I'm good at troubleshooting electrical stuff, so if minor parts break I'm comfortable servicing it myself. For quick reference, the time/price I calculated to raise my pool 5 degrees is 3.5 hours at 1.50$ (assuming a COP of 5.7 on a 140K BTU unit). So a 10 or 15 degree rise will be double/triple that, plus some extra due to extra evaporation losses at higher temperatures.
Use Case:
The wife and I might swim once a weekend in those extended spring months, but never every day. We have a baby on the way, and when she gets a few years old she'll likely want to swim in the pool more often (as I did as a kid). We do like to host events (when covid isn't everywhere), and I would love the option to use a heat pump in say... october, or may even march, where the price will be higher to heat, but at least I have the option to heat, whereas with solar I'm fixed on my time window.
I'm honestly leaning towards ripping out the solar and going with the heat pump. I realize it would be cheaper to run if I did the solar and heat pump, but the price to maintain and replace the solar every 10 or so years seems outrageous to me since I don't use my pool every day or every week. Lets say worst case, I use the heat pump every weekend that my current solar setup buys me, that comes out to (3 dollars/wkend x 8 weekends = 24 dollars per year), after 10 years, 240 dollars is less than the extra thousand or so I would spend to have the solar installed, AND I get the option to use it during times when the solar wouldn't have worked well. Is there anything else I'm missing for consideration, this seems like a no brainer to me to switch to a heat pump! Is it safe to assume with some minor part replacement, i can get a heat pump system to last me 15-20 years? Anyone else in phoenix have bad luck with heliocol only lasting 10 years?
Thank you for taking the time to read and share (even some) input!
Long time lurker, but finally created an account as I need to make some expensive decisions soon and would love some input.
TLR
Thinking of replacing my heliocol with poor sun placement with a heat pump as the replacement and running costs of the heat pump appear to be way less than those of solar. Read on for the full story.
Backstory:
I moved into my house 8 years ago now and it already had heliocol panels installed. The direction they face isn't optimal IMO (30 degrees north of west...), so they're really only able to heat the pool for an extra ~2 months extra a year from Late April - June. Pool is perfect to swim in without the heaters from Late-June/July to September. However, they've started to leak (after only being 10 years old), and I've been plugging the leaking capillaries, but the time will come when I need to replace all the panels likely later this year.
Replacement:
With only 10 years of life on them, heliocol has quoted me 450 per panel (for just the panel itself), or 600 per panel for them to replace. I have 10 total panels. So I'm looking at a replacement cost of 6K (or 4.5K if I do it myself) for something that only extends my swimming season 2 months (likely because of the terrible placement) and will only last me likely only 10 more years here in Arizona. (Side note: My old panels were terra cotta/red colored, not sure if that increases the speed at which they degrade compared to the black ones, but heliocol only sells black panels now so I would need to replace them with black). Also, if I had better roof placement, I'd like to think I could get twice as much heat out of them, or have fewer panels....
Heat Pump:
I've read that some people can get 100-140K BTU heat pumps for only about 3-4K dollars, plus installation. Which would be at least a thousand dollars likely less overall than the price to replace the heliocol. Since my pool is only 11K gallons and because I have a demand plan that reduces my electric costs to 6cents per kWh, this heat pump could heat the pool in the same April-June spring months whenever I wanted to use it for only like 2-3 dollars and a few hours of wait time. I'd imagine that it would last longer than 10 years, and I'm good at troubleshooting electrical stuff, so if minor parts break I'm comfortable servicing it myself. For quick reference, the time/price I calculated to raise my pool 5 degrees is 3.5 hours at 1.50$ (assuming a COP of 5.7 on a 140K BTU unit). So a 10 or 15 degree rise will be double/triple that, plus some extra due to extra evaporation losses at higher temperatures.
Use Case:
The wife and I might swim once a weekend in those extended spring months, but never every day. We have a baby on the way, and when she gets a few years old she'll likely want to swim in the pool more often (as I did as a kid). We do like to host events (when covid isn't everywhere), and I would love the option to use a heat pump in say... october, or may even march, where the price will be higher to heat, but at least I have the option to heat, whereas with solar I'm fixed on my time window.
I'm honestly leaning towards ripping out the solar and going with the heat pump. I realize it would be cheaper to run if I did the solar and heat pump, but the price to maintain and replace the solar every 10 or so years seems outrageous to me since I don't use my pool every day or every week. Lets say worst case, I use the heat pump every weekend that my current solar setup buys me, that comes out to (3 dollars/wkend x 8 weekends = 24 dollars per year), after 10 years, 240 dollars is less than the extra thousand or so I would spend to have the solar installed, AND I get the option to use it during times when the solar wouldn't have worked well. Is there anything else I'm missing for consideration, this seems like a no brainer to me to switch to a heat pump! Is it safe to assume with some minor part replacement, i can get a heat pump system to last me 15-20 years? Anyone else in phoenix have bad luck with heliocol only lasting 10 years?
Thank you for taking the time to read and share (even some) input!