PL-PLUS GVA-24 VALVE - LOOKING FOR MORE CONTROL

00DEREK

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Aug 16, 2020
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Phoenix AZ
I have an AquaPlus ProLogic pool control panel and a GVA-24 valve actuator. Both HAYWARD products

The actuator is attached to the three way valve between the pump, the Aquanaut cleaner and the skimmer basket. The pool was built before I bought this house, so I don't know which of the two paths the pool drain uses to get to the pump. picture attached

Before the actuator I had to move the valve manually between the skimmer and the cleaner depending on where the dirt in the pool was - sometimes I left the valve part way between the two. But the position the valve is in dictates what pump speed I can use - if the cleaner is closed off I can run the pump ~3500 rpm for maximum skimming action. If the valve is opened to the cleaner 100% (skimmer shut off) the pump can't run faster than ~1800 rpm or the cleaner speed is too high and it climbs out of the water.

With the actuator on the valve, controlled by the panel, the valve now oscillates between the two positions about every 30 mins; skimmer, cleaner, skimmer, etc. So I still can't run the pump faster than 1800 rpm, unless I manually set the actuator switch to stay on skimmer only (and then manually run the pump at a higher speed)

I paid $2000 for this "automation" and I feel like I'm not getting what I paid for.

What I want, is for the pump speed to change according to which position the valve is in - high speed for skimmer, low speed for cleaner. Or, for the controller filter time program to allow time at low speed and keep the valve on cleaner position, followed by time at high speed in skimmer position. In the same 24 hour period if possible, but having it on different days would still be an improvement.

Is this possible on my control panel, or is there another piece of hardware I need? I've read the manual so I suspect the answer will be no, so here are 2 follow up questions (which just occurred to me as I'm writing this)

1. The cleaner is a Hayward Aquanaut 4 wheel. Is there a flow restrictor available that will keep the cleaner speed low when the pump is at 3500 rpm?
2. Could I achieve the same effect by setting the valve stop position to only open to the cleaner, say, 20-50%, and restrict the flow that way?

Thanks in advance
 

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Jimrahbe

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Derek,

I am not a Hayward guy, but your system should not be switching between the cleaner and the skimmer every 30 minutes... I would get the guys that set up the system back out to fix it...

I suspect that they have your "cleaner" circuit configured as an in-floor cleaning system.. but, again, I am not a Hayward guy..

The system should work the way you think it should...

Thanks,

Jim R.
 

mas985

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Is this the controller you have?


In the valve configuration menu, you should be able to set the speed for valve. Manual page 21.

With the actuator on the valve, controlled by the panel, the valve now oscillates between the two positions about every 30 mins; skimmer, cleaner, skimmer, etc. So I still can't run the pump faster than 1800 rpm, unless I manually set the actuator switch to stay on skimmer only (and then manually run the pump at a higher speed)
It sounds like they setup this valve as an in-floor cleaner which they really should not do. You should set the valve on a timer to turn on for a specific amount of time or just leave it on all the time. The skimmer should not need a "high speed". It should work fine as low as 15 GPM.
 

00DEREK

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Aug 16, 2020
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Phoenix AZ
Is this the controller you have?


In the valve configuration menu, you should be able to set the speed for valve. Manual page 21.

It sounds like they setup this valve as an in-floor cleaner which they really should not do. You should set the valve on a timer to turn on for a specific amount of time or just leave it on all the time. The skimmer should not need a "high speed". It should work fine as low as 15 GPM.
Yes, that is my controller. I will give the manual another look over

Thanks everyone!
 

00DEREK

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Aug 16, 2020
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Phoenix AZ
Is this the controller you have?


In the valve configuration menu, you should be able to set the speed for valve. Manual page 21.

It sounds like they setup this valve as an in-floor cleaner which they really should not do. You should set the valve on a timer to turn on for a specific amount of time or just leave it on all the time. The skimmer should not need a "high speed". It should work fine as low as 15 GPM.
I had a read through both installation and operation manuals again - they are a tough read but I think what I need to do is related AUX1 or AUX2 having on/off times set in the Timers menu. Things made a bit more sense when I had a look inside the controller.

The installers connected my valve (my only valve, on the suction side of the pump) to the Valve 3 position on the circuit board - why wouldn't they use the Suction position? (and in this configuration, what is telling the valve to move every 30 mins?)

I found this on page 21 of the installation manual

V1=Aux1, V2=Aux2
This menu appears only if the Pool/Spa Setup is “Pool Only” or “Spa Only”. When enabled, Valve 1
(return) will follow the Aux1 output and Valve 2 (suction) will follow the Aux2 output. When disabled
(default), the return and suction pool/spa valves function normally.

If I move the connector to the "Suction" valve jack, and make sure Pool/Spa Setup is “Pool Only”, then I presume that if I set an on/off time in Timers/Aux2, then it will turn the valve on/off at those times?

And if I want to have a different pump speed for the valve, I set 2 time periods in Timers, with different speeds, one of which should be the same times as Timers/Aux2.

Tell me I'm getting warm!
 

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00DEREK

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Aug 16, 2020
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Phoenix AZ
OK, I think we got it. I had e-mailed Hayward tech support and they were good enough to call me and walk me through the programming.

  • The valve actuator signal wire was connected to Valve3 jack on the controller - that's OK, we didn't move it.
  • in the Configuration menu, I changed Valve 3 from "In-floor cleaner" to "Time Clock", and set the desired speed at 1800 rpm. (being "in-floor cleaner" was what was switching the valve position every 30 minutes)
  • Now in the Timers menu, as well as the 4 standard time periods, I also have a time period for Valve 3
  • Time period 3 (T3) stayed the same; 1am-1pm - this is the time the pump will be on, and the default speed is 3850 rpm
  • I added a time for valve 3, 7am-1pm - the valve 3 speed will override the T3 speed, and run the pump at 1800 rpm, and move the valve to the suction cleaner position
  • did a quick test, changing the clock time to see the program working and it does indeed.
  • ( at first I thought T3 needed to end before valve 3 time period started, but in fact this shuts off the pump)

Thank you for all the responses!