Newbie - need advice and help

Thank you so much for replying - have left a voice mail for my PB - is there anything else that needs to be changed etc (refer my first post)

Also will the SWG (Pentair IC40-520555-520556 IntelliChlor IC40 Complete Salt Chlorine Generator System with Power Center) and the pump (found it on Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/Pentair-011018-IntelliFlo-Performance-Horsepower/dp/B007E4VWNO) - will this add substantially to my cost?


You do not want to buy a separate IC40 and power center... You want an EasyTouch that comes with the IC40... Like this... https://sunplay.com/products/pentair-easy-touch-control-system-520593

The above ET assumes that you will have just a pool... not a Pool and Spa...

The pump you show will work just fine, but it is an older unit, not the current one...

The cost depends on how your pool builder does his pricing and mark ups...

But keep in mind... the initial cost of the pool will soon be forgotten.. But if you don't get what you want, you will remember it every time you use the pool... :p

Jim R.
 
Pic 3 means its set and can't change. All rock will be hotter than the decking. Might want to think smaller on loose rock size. Speaking of loose rock if you have kids the will end up in pool (at least a few) not that big of a deal.

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What Jim R said "But keep in mind... the initial cost of the pool will soon be forgotten.. But if you don't get what you want, you will remember it every time you use the pool."
 
You do not want to buy a separate IC40 and power center... You want an EasyTouch that comes with the IC40... Like this... https://sunplay.com/products/pentair-easy-touch-control-system-520593

The above ET assumes that you will have just a pool... not a Pool and Spa...

The pump you show will work just fine, but it is an older unit, not the current one...

The cost depends on how your pool builder does his pricing and mark ups...

But keep in mind... the initial cost of the pool will soon be forgotten.. But if you don't get what you want, you will remember it every time you use the pool... :p

Jim R.

We are not building a spa - building only a POOL - should I still get a EasyTouch that comes with IC40 or should I request my PB to install an Easy Touch IC60 - kindly let me know the make (prefer Pentair) and model of the Intelliflo 3 HP VS pump
 
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Well, the only Easytouch that come with the IC60 is an ET 8 for both Pool and Spa and costs quite a bit more money...

If this were my pool I would go with the ET4 and IC40 and Pool only model...

You can ask for the price for both and then decide... the more relays, the more external things you can control, and the IC60 should in theory last longer... but the two ET units are almost double in price.

Any IntelliFlo pump, without the SVRS option, will be a great pump... I'd go with the cheapest one...

My comment about money is when a major item is missing from the build.. as in no SWCG or no VS pump... The difference between the ET4/IC40 and ET8/IC60 is not that great...

Thanks,

Jim R.

Thanks
 
My PB replied:

The vs is without svrs as I use channel drains


Saltwater is corrosive to All stone

What robot would your like ?

This is what I have replied:

I have read and researched about the SWCG (Easy Touch 4 Pentair with IC40) - I would like to have that put in along with the 3 HP Intelliflo VS pump


I will get back to you on the robot
 
Reply from my PB:
Are you saying you are ok with the damage it will have to the stones ?

(I know he is scaring me - and is actually succeeding since I am a noob - should I just tell him that my wish is ET4 with IC 40 installed with 3 HP VS Pump? How do I reply? Will he void any warranty?)
 
I would not be surprised if he tried to impact you warranty. He can't really on any of the equipment as it has a manufacurers warranty. Not sure what kind of "warranty" comes with regards to the decking.
 

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From my contract:

3.3 Warranty. Except as otherwise described in this Contract, Contractor warrants the Work to be free
from defects in material and workmanship for a period of two (2) year from the date of Substantial
Completion. Contractor further warrants that the pool’s Gunite/Shot-Crete structure will remain structurally
sound for (5) five years from the date of Substantial Completion, the term “structurally sound” meaning that
the pool is capable of retaining water. Contractor further warrants any concrete decking to be free from
structural defects for a period of one (1) year from the date of Substantial Completion, and Owner
acknowledges that all concrete products are not warranted for shrinkage cracks, chipping, or shifting. All
structurally-related warranties are non-transferable. All pool equipment and accessories installed as
provided for herein are warranted by the manufacturer per the Contract Documents. Pool lights carry a three
(3) year manufacturer warranty; however, the bulbs, other wear and tear items, electrical plugs, (gfi) breakers
are only warrantied for ninety (90) days. Pool and spa jets are not guaranteed to have equal pressure flow
of water and or air bubbles. THESE WARRANTIES ARE THE ONLY AVAILABLE WARRANTIES—ALL
OTHER WARRANTIES ARE DISCLAIMED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY OF
HABITABILITY, MERCHANTABILITY, OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR USE. The
above warranties are effective only if Owner has complied with all terms and conditions, payments, and other
provisions of the Contract. Contractor’s warranty excludes remedy for damage or defect caused by abuse,
alterations to the Work not executed by Contractor, improper or insufficient maintenance, improper operation
(including the failure to maintain adequate water levels in the pool), normal wear and tear under normal
usage, earth or fill ground movement, acts of God, war, riot or other civil disturbance, or acts of others. Owner
shall notify Contractor in writing of any alleged defects or breach of the above warranties within a reasonable
amount of time after discovery and in no event no later than fifteen (15) days after discovery and the failure
to timely notify Contractor shall waive Owner’s rights under the warranty. Such written notice shall be sent
to Contractor at Contractor’s place of business: . The sole and exclusive remedy of Owner and the obligation of Contractor for the matters set forth
herein whether on warranty, contract, negligence, or strict liability, is, at Contractor’s election, the repair of
the defect or a refund to Owner the part of the Contract Price attributable to the non-conforming/defective
part of the Work (as determined by Contractor). A diagnostic fee will be charged by Contractor for each
service call to determine the problem and offer a remedy.
Owner Warranty Acknowledgements. Owner makes the following acknowledgement regarding
items excluded from Contractor’s warranty and other issues relevant to the Work: (a) Owner acknowledges
that stone is a natural product and is therefore not a warrantable item, and Owner acknowledges that it may
expect imperfections in the stone. (b) Owner acknowledges that mastic joints and grout for stone work are
expected to show signs of wear, such as cracking, which is to be considered normal and not warrantable;
(c) Sealing stone is to be done at Owner’s risk; (d) Owner acknowledges that plaster and tile line is not
warranted against discoloration from local water conditions, improper use of chemicals, or improper cleaning
of pool; (e) Owner acknowledges that all plaster is expected to show signs of “mottling” over a period of time,
which is to be considered normal; (f) Owner acknowledges that plaster carries a manufacturer warranty and
its length varies depending on the product selected; (g) Owner acknowledges that concrete, mortar, deck
toppings, tile, coping, mastic joints, colored plaster, and pebble finishes have no warranty or guarantee as
to final coloring; (h) Owner acknowledges that the freeze guard devices which are intended to activate the
pumps at or near freezing temperature, are not in itself assurance that the pool, water, or equipment will not
freeze causing damages; (i) Owner acknowledges that damages due to freezes (such as RPZ devices
installed for automatic pool water leveling) or power outages are not warrantable; (j) Owner acknowledges
that the automatic water fill, if applicable, is not in itself assurance that the pool water leveler will not operate
causing damages; (k) Owner acknowledges that any raised area of the pool /spa above natural grade may
show signs of efflorescence, sweating, shrinkage cracks, or other discoloration due to the nature of concrete
and is to be considered normal;(l) Owner acknowledges that It is Owner’s sole responsibility to monitor
conditions, inclement temperatures and to control proper water level in the pool; (m) Contractor is not
responsible for floatation of the pool after completion; and (n) Contractor is not responsible for deck settling
lines, pool settling lines, concrete shrinkage cracks of any kind, discoloration of deck or stone finish. (o)
Owner acknowledges that there is no guarantee for grout joints to be even or identical between materials
veneered, coping on pool, or any other material set vertically or horizontally. (p) Once an RPZ device is
tested and certified by a third-party inspection company as operational, no warranties apply to leaks that
occur due to debris caught in the device or freeze damage of any kind.

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I also found this article: Is Salt Water Bad For Your Pool? (the very first line scared me)
 
You don't actually expect me to read that do you? :mrgreen:

If you want to be scared ... just read this: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
You can't believe everything you read on the internet.

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Sacrificial anodes really do not do much. A proper bonding grid is always required.

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HA ... free of defects for 2 years ... I would be very surprised if any stone would be damage in 2 years unless your chemistry was WAY off.
5 years for the structure ... it should last 50+ years if they did it right.
And the deck is only a 1 year warranty

Those periods are so short it is unlikely that any defect would be found within that time period.
 
At the end of the day its your money...right? Maybe the other things you want cuts into his profit margin (I'm guessing on this). Maybe other Austin area pool owners can give you some peace of mind...I'm in the DFW area and I have SWCG and feel it was the right choice for us.
 
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It appears to me the "warranty" on your stone work is two years... Even if the PB was right, and a salt system did eat your stone, it would take way longer than two years, so there is really no warranty in the picture anyway.. Besides, your PB and the article you linked are just flat out wrong.

I vote no on the Sacrificial anodes also..

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
Thank you all for responding - my coping is White Marble (travertine) - do I need to seal the coping? and would I need to re seal the coping every year to avoid corrosion (my PB knows that I scare easy :) )