New pool looks old

[New2pools520]

Is the bond beam just the top of the pool then??

I don’t know why they would put grouting in there just to have it beak off and fall in the pool and leave such a big gap in there.

I guess I am just worried about Pool water and chemicals getting in there and causing issues.

I sent you a pm. Im curious if we have the same builder

 

[ajw22]

The bond beam is the concrete top of the pool outlined in red.

4mm plastic sheet or 2 layers of roofing felt underlayment should have been laid on this area before concrete was poured to create a slip joint as the expansion joint.

 

[New2pools520]

The bond beam is the concrete top of the pool outlined in red.

4mm plastic sheet or 2 layers of roofing felt underlayment should have been laid on this area before concrete was poured to create a slip joint as the expansion joint.

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I apologize as I’m not trying to hijack the thread but aside from the bond beam potentially shearing which obviously would be terrible what are other potential ramifications if the plastic or roofing paper is not used?

 

[ajw22]

I apologize as I’m not trying to hijack the thread but aside from the bond beam potentially shearing which obviously would be terrible what are other potential ramifications if the plastic or roofing paper is not used?

Cracked bond beam, cracked plaster, cracked tiles, tiles popping off, grout falling off all from pressure the deck puts on the pool structure.

It usually takes a few years to develop.

 

[Domine]

The bond beam is the concrete top of the pool outlined in red.

4mm plastic sheet or 2 layers of roofing felt underlayment should have been laid on this area before concrete was poured to create a slip joint as the expansion joint.

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I appreciate the clarification, I was reading the description of a bond beam as a separate piece of concrete to help support the deck and not put the weight on the pool, but I see it is just the top of the pool itself. Is it normal for the gap to be so large??

It looks like it was just the same width as the rest of the pool, where diagrams appear to show it larger at the top.

 

[ajw22]

Is it normal for the gap to be so large??

Exactly how large is the gap?

It looks like it was just the same width as the rest of the pool, where diagrams appear to show it larger at the top.

Same width as what?

 

[New2pools520]

Cracked bond beam, cracked plaster, cracked tiles, tiles popping off, grout falling off all from pressure the deck puts on the pool structure.

It usually takes a few years to develop.

Well that sucks. I used the biggest builder in Arizona. While different than the OP they both subbed out decking to the same concrete company. I have it on my cameras that nothing was used to separate mine.

 

[JamesW]

The front of the deck has lifted for some reason.

Most likely, the back of the deck is settling.

Can you show all pictures of the build?

 

[JamesW]

Looks like a lot of backfill.

If you have a lot of uncompacted backfill, then the deck can settle.

Did they add a lot of loose backfill?

Did they use rebar or wire mesh?

 

[Domine]

The front of the deck has lifted for some reason.

Most likely, the back of the deck is settling.

Can you show all pictures of the build?

I’m worried since it’s all one piece of concrete with no rebar or anything that it might cause problems later. They barely even raked the dirt a little and just poured concrete and called it good. They put lines to make it look like sections or joints but it’s all one big piece.

Here are some completed picture

 

[JamesW]

Can you point to the lifted areas?

 

[ajw22]

I’m worried since it’s all one piece of concrete with no rebar or anything that it might cause problems later. They barely even raked the dirt a little and just poured concrete and called it good. They put lines to make it look like sections or joints but it’s all one big piece.

The lines are crack control joints....

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[Turbo1Ton]

The front of the deck has lifted for some reason.

Most likely, the back of the deck is settling.

Can you show all pictures of the build?

Because of the grout it appears that the deck is unlevel. In fact the gap is the same between the tile and the decking.

--Jeff

 

[JamesW]

When you grout a joint, you grout the entire joint.

You can’t grout half of the joint.

When the joint was grouted, the deck was lower and the grout filled the entire joint.

The deck has since lifted and created a gap.

The grout stuck to the top on the left and to the bottom on the right.

How would you grout halfway down or halfway up?

Even if you could grout halfway down or halfway up, why would you suddenly switch from up to down?

In my opinion, the deck clearly lifted.

 

[Turbo1Ton]

When you grout a joint, you grout the entire joint.

You can’t grout half of the joint.

When the joint was grouted, the deck was lower and the grout filled the entire joint.

The deck has since lifted and created a gap.

The grout stuck to the top on the left and to the bottom on the right.

How would you grout halfway down or halfway up?

Even if you could grout halfway down or halfway up, why would you suddenly switch from up to down?

In my opinion, the deck clearly lifted.

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Agree on the grouting the joint part. Gotcha. Misunderstood what you were saying about the front of the deck lifting.

--Jeff

 

[Davegnh]

On my pool they used a flexable RTV like material that can move not grout in the seam. I had issues with the application and had to get redone because is was separating.