Hello all,
We just sign with our PB in Houston, TX and I wanted to post our pools specifics and design to see if you guys can help us avoid mistakes or think of things we missed.
We have two little girls (almost 3 and 6) and are typically the hosting party for family events. No one is a diver and the pool is primarily for leisure and cooling off during the brutal summers we have here in Houston. Also, it helps beautify our backyard into a personal oasis.
Our youngest girl (3yo) has some eczema/dry skin and slightly thinner hair than her older sister and mom. Hence my wife wanted to keep the pool with as few chemicals as possible so we opted for the UV cleaner. PB did not recommend SWG due to the natural stones we want in our design.
Also, I'm super busy with my day job and my separate business and so will not have much time for maintenance, but we want to avoid a pool guy, so we opted for the in-floor cleaning to help reduce the weekly work. I do take great pride in keeping my lawn and house maintained, so I have no doubt I will take care of our pool. I just want to make it easy on myself and get to enjoying the pool more often than cleaning it.
As you can see from the renderings, the pool will have some stacked stone walls, natural rock walls, waterfall/weeping walls, a 18" raised spa (double as seating for those that aren't in the water), and a 4ft wide fire strip. I'm attached some images here but not all finalized. The rock pictures are to just show you the color of natural rocks we like instead of the brown rock color.
High level Pool specs
Free form pool and round spa
90' perimeter for pool
Approx 17,000 gallons
2 Jandy VS Plus Pumps Variable Speed 2.7 (listed in separate sections below so wanted to specify here)
DIMENSIONS POOL SPA
MAX. WIDTH 19.00 7.00
MAX. LENGTH 35.50 7.00
Depth 1 3.50 N/A
Depth 2 6.00 N/A
AVERAGE DEPTH 4.75 3.50
PERIMETER 90.00 22.00
SURFACE AREA 460.00 38.00
INTERIOR AREA 887.50 115.00
More specific details are further below, but here's what we're trying to get and do:
An oasis pool feeling with some transitional styling. We plan on getting Moss Rock or something else but with a less brown color and more closer to gray/browns and neutrals. Do you guys think this will be hard to get? I saw some at a stone store and will try to post pictures of that here.
Now for the more specific details directly from the PB (I'm just looking for someone with experience who can advise if we over-looked something obvious):
EXCAVATION - DEPTH
- 3.5' to 6 Foot Depth (are these depths good for us? I'm 5'8" and wife is 5'3" and tallest person in our extended family is 6'. We wanted 6 ft deep end so we can still jump (not dive) in.
MAIN DRAIN FOR POOL
- Dedicated Suction to pump measurement from drain to equipment 2.5in pipe (29 ft)
SKIMMER
- Ultra Quickskim Skimmer 3/4in ball valve 1
- Main Skimmer Run Total 2" and 1" pipe (22 ft)
- Pool Cleaner line on all pools 1.5in pipe (25 ft)
POOL RETURN(S) AND TYPE AND OVERFLOW
- Overflow City/County
FILL TYPES MUST PICK ONE
- Auto Fill Line (68 ft)
PLUMBING PIPE(S)
- 3" (30 ft) I think this may be the conduit I have PB running from one side to the other, close to the house
MAIN POOL PUMP
- Jandy VS Plus Pump Variable Speed 2.7 THP 150 gpm at 50 ft. (Includes required GFCI Breaker)
150 gpm at 50 ft. of head 1 ea.
FILTER TYPE(S)
- Cartridge 460 sq.ft. max flow 150 gpm 1 ea.
LIGHTING (2 in in pool, 1 in spa)
- Jandy Watercolor 12V. LED Pool Light (1)
- Nicheless LED 12v 24 watts light (1)
- 300 Watt Transformer 1 ea.
- Water Bonding Nicheless Light 1
TIMERS AND AUTOMATION
- I-Q904 Pool Spa I-Aqualink
I want to be able to control the Sheer Waterfall + Weeping Walls together but the bubblers separately. Additionally, the spa jets, etc. should be a sperate control. So I should be able to turn on/off the waterfalls and bubblers separately.
(Apparently there is confusion amongst PBs whereas my PB said the I-Q904 should be able to do what I intend, while the other PB who was bidding said it won't be able to separately control the Waterfalls and the Bubblers. Anyone here has any thoughts on this?
- Valve Actuator (1)
- Switch to turn on and off booster pumps and or lights at equipment (1)
- Switch to turn on and off booster pumps and or lights at location other than equipment put footage (17 ft)
HEATERS - HEAT PUMPS - CHILLERS
- 400,000 BTU GAS Heater and non corrosive check valve
Client understand they must get gas meter upgraded at their expense (what is the cost of this in Houston area?)
GUNITE
How many yards of raised wall over normal thickness per yard (1 yard)
GUNITE - STEPS-BENCHES-TANNING SHELVE(S) & BEACH ENTRY
Tanning Shelf (ea) 1 ea.
Bench #1 (per ft.) 10 ft.
RAISED WALLS 12 INCH (PER LN.FT.)
- 12" Raised Wall Steel and Gunite (2 at 5 ft each)
- 18" Raised Wall Steel and Gunite (7 ft)
RAISED WALLS COPING
- 16X16 SHELL BEACH PAVERS
Buyer agrees that natural stones can vary in shades any stone with a hole the size of a quarter or smaller is considered acceptable
RAISED WALLS VENEERING (PER SQ.FT)
- 2X4 NORDIC SILVER (SILVER) SPLITFACE (KSSF24-13)
UTILITIES GAS COUNTY
- Gas Line (per ft. plus 5' for ups and downs - Includes up to 10 FT & Gas Valve Regulator
- Go back to hook up gas line after upgrade meter installed
POOL COPING (PER LNFT)
- 12X12 SHELL BEACH PAVERS
- Buyer agrees that natural stones can vary in shades any stone with a hole the size of a quarter or smaller is considered acceptable
POOL WATERLINE (SQ.FT)
- Aquabella NL-1131
Water line tile 27 sq.ft.
TILE AND COPING - GROUT COLOR,CUTS AND EXTRAS
- Colored Grout Coping
Colored Grout: 03 Silk (Sugar Cookie)
1 Included
- Colored Grout Tile
Colored Grout: 78 Sterling Silver (Silver Shimmer)
1 Included
DECKING AND DRAINAGE
- Mastic 1 ea.
- Deck Coating per sq.ft. 400 sq.ft. min.
- Deck Coating Color: Limestone 442 sqft
- Deck Coating Topping per sq.ft.
- Deck Coating Color: Limestone 122 sq.ft.
- Volleyball Cup/Umbrella Hole in Sunshelf
- Deck Crew to do 4" Area Drains With Downspout Connection
SPA'S
- Standard 7' Spa With 4 Jets Venturi with 1hp Blower 1 ea.
- Extra Spa Jet for standard spa 2 ea.
- Spa Rolled Beam 1 ea.
- Spa Plumbing Runs 67 ln. ft.
SPA COPING (PER LNFT)
- 12X12 SHELL BEACH PAVERS
- Buyer agrees that natural stones can vary in shades any stone with a hole the size of a quarter or smaller is considered acceptable. 18 LnFt
SPA TILE LINE (PER SQ.FT)
- Aquabella NL-1131
Water line tile 11 sq.ft.
SPA LIGHT (ONE MUST BE PURCHASED)
- 12watt MINI Color LED Light for Spa 1 ea.
RAISED SPA'S
- Spa Raised 18in. w/2" check valve - Steel, Gunite and Plumbing 1 ea.
SPA VENEER (PER SQFT)
- 2X4 NORDIC SILVER (SILVER) SPLITFACE (KSSF24-13)
Splitface 33 sq.ft.
SPA SPILLWAYS
30 degree Negative Edge Spillway (4ft)
SPA SPILLWAY TILE (PER SQ.FT.)
- Aquabella NL-1131
- Water line tile 12 sq.ft.
FIRE PITS
- Linear inside dimension 7" by 48" 12" high Key Valve Match Light
FIRE PITS COPING (PER LNFT)
- 12X24 SHELL BEACH PAVERS
- Buyer agrees that natural stones can vary in shades any stone with a hole the size of a quarter or smaller is considered acceptable
FIRE PITS VENEER (PER SQ.FT)
- 2X4 NORDIC SILVER (SILVER) SPLITFACE (KSSF24-13)
Splitface 20 sq.ft.
LAVA ROCK
- 50 lb. Box of 1 to 2” Black Lava Rock (1)
FIRE GLASS
- Pepper (Black) Reflective Fireglass 3/8in to 1/2in, 40 lb Case (1)
WATER FEATURES
- Gushers/Bubblers (need 18 gpm per gusher)(ea.) (3)
- Loop Plumbing 2.5" Pipe to 1.5" Pipe 54 per.ft.
SHEERS
- Sheer Descent 3' (need 45 gpm) 1 ea.
- Sheer Descent Plumbing Run 1' to 6' 1.5" pipe 54 ln.ft.
MOSS ROCK WATER FEATURES
- Weeping Wall (per ln. ft.) 1 ton every 7 feet 14 per.ft.
- Weeping Wall Plumbing 1.5" pipe 66 ln.ft.
- # of Weepers (need 8 gpm for each weeper)(ea.) 5 ea.
WATER FEATURES PUMP(S)
- Jandy VS Plus Pump Variable Speed 2.7 THP 150 gpm at 40 ft. - (Water Feature)
- 2.5in. Suction Line for Booster Pump 140gpm
FITTINGS COLOR
- Grey Fittings
INTERIOR SURFACE
- Pebble Sheen Blue Surf
SANITIZERS
- Inline Chlorinator
- Bioshield UV
AUTOMATIC POOL CLEANERS
A&A In floor Cleaning System
A&A Cleaning and In Floor System Plumbing Runs 2" pipe
Hopefully I'm not forgetting anything but please ask away so I can double check anything concerning.
Thanks in advance for all your help!
Traveler
We just sign with our PB in Houston, TX and I wanted to post our pools specifics and design to see if you guys can help us avoid mistakes or think of things we missed.
We have two little girls (almost 3 and 6) and are typically the hosting party for family events. No one is a diver and the pool is primarily for leisure and cooling off during the brutal summers we have here in Houston. Also, it helps beautify our backyard into a personal oasis.
Our youngest girl (3yo) has some eczema/dry skin and slightly thinner hair than her older sister and mom. Hence my wife wanted to keep the pool with as few chemicals as possible so we opted for the UV cleaner. PB did not recommend SWG due to the natural stones we want in our design.
Also, I'm super busy with my day job and my separate business and so will not have much time for maintenance, but we want to avoid a pool guy, so we opted for the in-floor cleaning to help reduce the weekly work. I do take great pride in keeping my lawn and house maintained, so I have no doubt I will take care of our pool. I just want to make it easy on myself and get to enjoying the pool more often than cleaning it.
As you can see from the renderings, the pool will have some stacked stone walls, natural rock walls, waterfall/weeping walls, a 18" raised spa (double as seating for those that aren't in the water), and a 4ft wide fire strip. I'm attached some images here but not all finalized. The rock pictures are to just show you the color of natural rocks we like instead of the brown rock color.
High level Pool specs
Free form pool and round spa
90' perimeter for pool
Approx 17,000 gallons
2 Jandy VS Plus Pumps Variable Speed 2.7 (listed in separate sections below so wanted to specify here)
DIMENSIONS POOL SPA
MAX. WIDTH 19.00 7.00
MAX. LENGTH 35.50 7.00
Depth 1 3.50 N/A
Depth 2 6.00 N/A
AVERAGE DEPTH 4.75 3.50
PERIMETER 90.00 22.00
SURFACE AREA 460.00 38.00
INTERIOR AREA 887.50 115.00
More specific details are further below, but here's what we're trying to get and do:
An oasis pool feeling with some transitional styling. We plan on getting Moss Rock or something else but with a less brown color and more closer to gray/browns and neutrals. Do you guys think this will be hard to get? I saw some at a stone store and will try to post pictures of that here.
Now for the more specific details directly from the PB (I'm just looking for someone with experience who can advise if we over-looked something obvious):
EXCAVATION - DEPTH
- 3.5' to 6 Foot Depth (are these depths good for us? I'm 5'8" and wife is 5'3" and tallest person in our extended family is 6'. We wanted 6 ft deep end so we can still jump (not dive) in.
MAIN DRAIN FOR POOL
- Dedicated Suction to pump measurement from drain to equipment 2.5in pipe (29 ft)
SKIMMER
- Ultra Quickskim Skimmer 3/4in ball valve 1
- Main Skimmer Run Total 2" and 1" pipe (22 ft)
- Pool Cleaner line on all pools 1.5in pipe (25 ft)
POOL RETURN(S) AND TYPE AND OVERFLOW
- Overflow City/County
FILL TYPES MUST PICK ONE
- Auto Fill Line (68 ft)
PLUMBING PIPE(S)
- 3" (30 ft) I think this may be the conduit I have PB running from one side to the other, close to the house
MAIN POOL PUMP
- Jandy VS Plus Pump Variable Speed 2.7 THP 150 gpm at 50 ft. (Includes required GFCI Breaker)
150 gpm at 50 ft. of head 1 ea.
FILTER TYPE(S)
- Cartridge 460 sq.ft. max flow 150 gpm 1 ea.
LIGHTING (2 in in pool, 1 in spa)
- Jandy Watercolor 12V. LED Pool Light (1)
- Nicheless LED 12v 24 watts light (1)
- 300 Watt Transformer 1 ea.
- Water Bonding Nicheless Light 1
TIMERS AND AUTOMATION
- I-Q904 Pool Spa I-Aqualink
I want to be able to control the Sheer Waterfall + Weeping Walls together but the bubblers separately. Additionally, the spa jets, etc. should be a sperate control. So I should be able to turn on/off the waterfalls and bubblers separately.
(Apparently there is confusion amongst PBs whereas my PB said the I-Q904 should be able to do what I intend, while the other PB who was bidding said it won't be able to separately control the Waterfalls and the Bubblers. Anyone here has any thoughts on this?
- Valve Actuator (1)
- Switch to turn on and off booster pumps and or lights at equipment (1)
- Switch to turn on and off booster pumps and or lights at location other than equipment put footage (17 ft)
HEATERS - HEAT PUMPS - CHILLERS
- 400,000 BTU GAS Heater and non corrosive check valve
Client understand they must get gas meter upgraded at their expense (what is the cost of this in Houston area?)
GUNITE
How many yards of raised wall over normal thickness per yard (1 yard)
GUNITE - STEPS-BENCHES-TANNING SHELVE(S) & BEACH ENTRY
Tanning Shelf (ea) 1 ea.
Bench #1 (per ft.) 10 ft.
RAISED WALLS 12 INCH (PER LN.FT.)
- 12" Raised Wall Steel and Gunite (2 at 5 ft each)
- 18" Raised Wall Steel and Gunite (7 ft)
RAISED WALLS COPING
- 16X16 SHELL BEACH PAVERS
Buyer agrees that natural stones can vary in shades any stone with a hole the size of a quarter or smaller is considered acceptable
RAISED WALLS VENEERING (PER SQ.FT)
- 2X4 NORDIC SILVER (SILVER) SPLITFACE (KSSF24-13)
UTILITIES GAS COUNTY
- Gas Line (per ft. plus 5' for ups and downs - Includes up to 10 FT & Gas Valve Regulator
- Go back to hook up gas line after upgrade meter installed
POOL COPING (PER LNFT)
- 12X12 SHELL BEACH PAVERS
- Buyer agrees that natural stones can vary in shades any stone with a hole the size of a quarter or smaller is considered acceptable
POOL WATERLINE (SQ.FT)
- Aquabella NL-1131
Water line tile 27 sq.ft.
TILE AND COPING - GROUT COLOR,CUTS AND EXTRAS
- Colored Grout Coping
Colored Grout: 03 Silk (Sugar Cookie)
1 Included
- Colored Grout Tile
Colored Grout: 78 Sterling Silver (Silver Shimmer)
1 Included
DECKING AND DRAINAGE
- Mastic 1 ea.
- Deck Coating per sq.ft. 400 sq.ft. min.
- Deck Coating Color: Limestone 442 sqft
- Deck Coating Topping per sq.ft.
- Deck Coating Color: Limestone 122 sq.ft.
- Volleyball Cup/Umbrella Hole in Sunshelf
- Deck Crew to do 4" Area Drains With Downspout Connection
SPA'S
- Standard 7' Spa With 4 Jets Venturi with 1hp Blower 1 ea.
- Extra Spa Jet for standard spa 2 ea.
- Spa Rolled Beam 1 ea.
- Spa Plumbing Runs 67 ln. ft.
SPA COPING (PER LNFT)
- 12X12 SHELL BEACH PAVERS
- Buyer agrees that natural stones can vary in shades any stone with a hole the size of a quarter or smaller is considered acceptable. 18 LnFt
SPA TILE LINE (PER SQ.FT)
- Aquabella NL-1131
Water line tile 11 sq.ft.
SPA LIGHT (ONE MUST BE PURCHASED)
- 12watt MINI Color LED Light for Spa 1 ea.
RAISED SPA'S
- Spa Raised 18in. w/2" check valve - Steel, Gunite and Plumbing 1 ea.
SPA VENEER (PER SQFT)
- 2X4 NORDIC SILVER (SILVER) SPLITFACE (KSSF24-13)
Splitface 33 sq.ft.
SPA SPILLWAYS
30 degree Negative Edge Spillway (4ft)
SPA SPILLWAY TILE (PER SQ.FT.)
- Aquabella NL-1131
- Water line tile 12 sq.ft.
FIRE PITS
- Linear inside dimension 7" by 48" 12" high Key Valve Match Light
FIRE PITS COPING (PER LNFT)
- 12X24 SHELL BEACH PAVERS
- Buyer agrees that natural stones can vary in shades any stone with a hole the size of a quarter or smaller is considered acceptable
FIRE PITS VENEER (PER SQ.FT)
- 2X4 NORDIC SILVER (SILVER) SPLITFACE (KSSF24-13)
Splitface 20 sq.ft.
LAVA ROCK
- 50 lb. Box of 1 to 2” Black Lava Rock (1)
FIRE GLASS
- Pepper (Black) Reflective Fireglass 3/8in to 1/2in, 40 lb Case (1)
WATER FEATURES
- Gushers/Bubblers (need 18 gpm per gusher)(ea.) (3)
- Loop Plumbing 2.5" Pipe to 1.5" Pipe 54 per.ft.
SHEERS
- Sheer Descent 3' (need 45 gpm) 1 ea.
- Sheer Descent Plumbing Run 1' to 6' 1.5" pipe 54 ln.ft.
MOSS ROCK WATER FEATURES
- Weeping Wall (per ln. ft.) 1 ton every 7 feet 14 per.ft.
- Weeping Wall Plumbing 1.5" pipe 66 ln.ft.
- # of Weepers (need 8 gpm for each weeper)(ea.) 5 ea.
WATER FEATURES PUMP(S)
- Jandy VS Plus Pump Variable Speed 2.7 THP 150 gpm at 40 ft. - (Water Feature)
- 2.5in. Suction Line for Booster Pump 140gpm
FITTINGS COLOR
- Grey Fittings
INTERIOR SURFACE
- Pebble Sheen Blue Surf
SANITIZERS
- Inline Chlorinator
- Bioshield UV
AUTOMATIC POOL CLEANERS
A&A In floor Cleaning System
A&A Cleaning and In Floor System Plumbing Runs 2" pipe
Hopefully I'm not forgetting anything but please ask away so I can double check anything concerning.
Thanks in advance for all your help!
Traveler