New Pentair Mastertemp 400 Heater Install

dailygenesis

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In this recent thread, I asked about some issues I was having with my Hayward heater. I ended up replacing my Hayward 500btu heater with a Pentair Mastertemp 400btu heater. I also had the installer plumb in a manual heater bypass. My updated equipment pad can be seen in the photo below. I will also post a photo of the old installation for comparison.

On the positive side, this new heater appears, to me at least, to heat water just as quickly or possibly more quickly than my Hayward, which is surprising given that it is 100btu less. But so far I have no complaints about its performance in that regard.

But one thing I've noticed since the install is that head loss with the new system seems to be greater than with my Hayward. The main reason I notice this is because I have to run the pump at higher speeds in order to achieve the same water flow. The way I am judging water flow is by effects on the pool such as bubbles produces by the spa jets or amount of water that goes over the spillover.

Because of this, I've had to step up my pump speeds for two main reasons: 1) in pool mode, water continuously runs through the spillover and if there is not enough volume going through the spa it doesn't really spillover just kind of runs down the side of the spa, which I imagine is not great for the rock over time, and 2) in spa mode just to get enough jet action to make a good spa experience.

Even given the above, I have set my system to never run the pump at more than 90%. In pool mode, I can run between 55-65% to get enough volume for spillover (I used to be able to go as low as 45%), and in spa mode, I usually run 80-90% to get make the spa experience acceptable (I used to go as low as 75%). So, the differences aren't huge. But In pool mode, I can no longer use my system's "low speed" because my automation system maxes out low speed setting at 50% and that won't generate enough flow for the spillover. So, I am just using the "high speed" setting exclusively in pool mode and finding the lowest speed that works.

This all seems ok to me. I just wanted to check here to see if anyone has any thoughts on the above or anything I'm missing or not thinking about that might work better.

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The MasterTemp has a different heat exchanger design and water path than the Hayward heater.

You are limited by your antiquated Ecommand system.

I have an automated heater bypass and my pump can run 300-400 RPM lower when the MasterTemp is not running and bypassed.
 
You are limited by your antiquated Ecommand system.

Agreed. But thus far, I haven't found a good upgrade path. I've thought about going to one of the newer Hayward systems that has a retrofit kit for the Ecommand, but some have advised against this saying they are unreliable. Do you know of a good system I could explore that might work with all of my equipment and give me better control now and going forward?

Until that can be addressed, it seems to me that the best approach is running all the water through the heater (except in rare situations) and just dealing with the reduced flow as best I can. Would you agree with that?
 
some have advised against this saying they are unreliable.

Some do not know what they are talking about.

Do you know of a good system I could explore that might work with all of my equipment and give me better control now and going forward?

The OmniPL is a fine reliable system.

It is not as flexible as the Pentair IntelliCenter. You are limited to what can be defined in Haywards Configuration structure.

Until that can be addressed, it seems to me that the best approach is running all the water through the heater (except in rare situations) and just dealing with the reduced flow as best I can. Would you agree with that?
Yup.
 
Some do not know what they are talking about.
Ha. True.
The OmniPL is a fine reliable system.

It is not as flexible as the Pentair IntelliCenter. You are limited to what can be defined in Haywards Configuration structure.
Would it be possible for me to move to the Pentair with my current equipment configuration? I imagine myself migrating more to Pentair as things need to be replaced over time, if that is possible. Currently heater is Pentair and controller, pump and SWG are Hayward. Can I move to Pentair controller while keeping Hayward pump and SWG?
 
Ha. True.

Would it be possible for me to move to the Pentair with my current equipment configuration? I imagine myself migrating more to Pentair as things need to be replaced over time, if that is possible. Currently heater is Pentair and controller, pump and SWG are Hayward. Can I move to Pentair controller while keeping Hayward pump and SWG?
Pentair automation cannot control a Hayward pump. It can control your Hayward SWG.

Wait until your pump needs replacement and get an Intelliflo pump. Then you can move to the IntelliCenter.