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PB # 3 came today. I was the most impressed with him. He is going to give a quote on the same build as the others. However some notable differences:

-He recommends the polymer walls over steel walls. He says steel walls will go 20-25 years where as polymer will last a lifetime. If plan on living here more then 10-15 years go with polymer walls. The estimated additional cost is about $3,500.

-He uses a newer model pump then the two other PB's I had here. He said they also use 1.5 inches plumbed PVC where as he uses 2 inches. He said based on that my electric bill monthly to run the pump would be about $50-$60, however, with his model Hayward, it will be $15-$18. With the large plumb of 0.5 inches, the pool will turn faster.

-He recommends an underground drain. The drain would be dug at about 8 feet and would help prevent any water build up underneath the pool. The cost of this would run about $4,000.

-We asked for pricing on wedding cake steps with a bench. He doesn't use steel which he says is a thin sheet of steel and has a little give. If you step down in the middle of the step it will move a bit down. For first timers, you'll feel like you're falling. He uses a concrete mixture solid bench and step. Both together will run about maybe $1,000 more.

-He recommends digging and building the pool in October/November. He thinks it's better to do now and allow the pool to sit for the winter. He says it will cover well with tarps, so the water should not really impact the pool negatively over the winter if it's a bad winter.

-He's going to give me the name of a few more masons for quotes. However, he knows the mason I had come and highly recommends him and his work. He said we can definitely find someone for a few thousand cheaper, but the quality will definitely be lower. For this type of work, he says based on his experience you may be able to find someone for $1,000 - $1,500 cheaper. But the Mason we have is one of the best relative to where I live.
 
PB #3 sounds better to me, did you talk about SWG and Automation with him?

Salty

I did. He said 100% go with SWG. He also said for my build OmniLogic is probably overkill and still has some bugs based on his experience the technology is getting there, but it's completely there yet. But he recommended going with Hayward AquaPlus automation.

He said last year he built 3 pools in 3 newly built homes next to each other. The one the middle got no automation, one went with OmniLogic and the other went with AquaPlus. The one who went with OmniLogic has had some issues. The one who got nothing this year is adding AquaPlus. The one who originally put in AquaPlus has had no issues or complaints.

The only reason he said to go with OmniLogic is if you're a real tech guy and have the patience to work with it when it has issues.

Based on that, we're going go with the AquaPlus and SWG.

I also forgot to add he said for the slide, he orders it for the build. He will put the slide together, draw out the pool in the backyard, and place the slide where we think we want it. We'll then make sure of placement before he starts to dig so we're 100% sure just in case we want to move the pool a foot or so one way or another to accommodate the slide.
 
I did. He said 100% go with SWG. He also said for my build OmniLogic is probably overkill and still has some bugs based on his experience the technology is getting there, but it's completely there yet. But he recommended going with Hayward AquaPlus automation.

He said last year he built 3 pools in 3 newly built homes next to each other. The one the middle got no automation, one went with OmniLogic and the other went with AquaPlus. The one who went with OmniLogic has had some issues. The one who got nothing this year is adding AquaPlus. The one who originally put in AquaPlus has had no issues or complaints.

The only reason he said to go with OmniLogic is if you're a real tech guy and have the patience to work with it when it has issues.

Based on that, we're going go with the AquaPlus and SWG.

I also forgot to add he said for the slide, he orders it for the build. He will put the slide together, draw out the pool in the backyard, and place the slide where we think we want it. We'll then make sure of placement before he starts to dig so we're 100% sure just in case we want to move the pool a foot or so one way or another to accommodate the slide.

We couldn't be happier with the the AquaPlus, only minor regret is we added sense & dispense for PH control and the probe gets inconsistent and starts pumping acid and drops my PH when it didn't need it. I've had it disabled for the last 2 months and PH hasn't budged off 7.5. We also have Polymer walls and Polymer/cement full length stairs and they look really nice compared to the typical white plastic ones you see on most vinyl pools. Looking forward to following your build. Btw, ask about AquaConnect if you want to control/ monitor things through your phone/ iPad.

Salty
 
We couldn't be happier with the the AquaPlus, only minor regret is we added sense & dispense for PH control and the probe gets inconsistent and starts pumping acid and drops my PH when it didn't need it. I've had it disabled for the last 2 months and PH hasn't budged off 7.5. We also have Polymer walls and Polymer/cement full length stairs and they look really nice compared to the typical white plastic ones you see on most vinyl pools. Looking forward to following your build. Btw, ask about AquaConnect if you want to control/ monitor things through your phone/ iPad.

Salty

I was thinking about adding the AquaConnect as well. Thanks for your help!

Btw beautiful pool you have!
 
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My pool was built in 3 days (Late November). The next day, the liner was shipped out and installed as the Portland cement/sand mix dries very quickly. I would not leave the pool exposed and not covered all winter long. The PB had me fill the pool to under the light first. Came back and installed the light, and then to the top. The pool was plugged already so there was no reason to close the pool, although I think they closed the MD when they were here.

I had my ground settle from December to May of the following year. A total of 4-6 weeks is clearly not enough time, unless you were using a tamper. But then again, near the pool and equipment, there should be no tampering done. The only other method would be to backfill manually and use water every 3" to ensure settling of soil. This I can see as an option, but PB do not backfill this way, but instead with machines and it is done pretty quickly. By hand, it could take days.

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Even in the spring, I poked around with a stick and some more water and there were a lot of air pockets and soil settled over 1' (have pictures to prove it). Near the steps, I actually removed all the soil by hand in the spring and backfilled under the steps (a lot of work, but worth it). When I was done with the step area, there was over 2' of settling. This goes to show you that 4-6 weeks is not enough time.

To compensate, I went in and added crushed stone all the way around instead of more soil. A lot of stone, but protection. The mason was kind enough to put the forms in about 3 weeks earlier.
 

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PB # 3 pricing:

14x28 Gothic style pool package. $16,500
Poured stadium gothic step. 1,600
Hayward gas pool heater. 2,200
Hayward salt system. 1,800
Hayward color led light. 1,200
Pro logic pool automation panel. 450
Dirt dumping fees @200 per ld. @6lds.1,200

Total: $24,950

Additional possible options:
-Change from steel panels to composite panels. $3,500
-wedding cake style steps with attached bench +2,100
-stone/gravel bottom of the pool for possible water issues $1,200
-Omni logic pool panel and programming $1,900.(must run Ethernet cable)

Going to add the composite panels, & the wedding cake style steps with attached bench. Total would be $30,550.

Asked about the final pricing on the underground drain. I also need him to explain the stone/gravel versus underground drain again to make sure I understand exactly what he's doing.

I asked for his price on the slide delivered and built by him.

Going to schedule an appointment with another Mason to make sure ball park Mason #1 makes sense. Also, going to schedule an appointment with the electrician to get an estimate.

Looking like going with PB # 3.
 
A gas line in NY is going to cost you closer to a grand. As I was told by 2 Plumbers that gave me estimates. And that was with me doing all the trenching (20'). They both said it's the fittings that change over from the plastic to metal that are about $500 plus labor and the rest of the material.
 
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My pool was built in 3 days (Late November). The next day, the liner was shipped out and installed as the Portland cement/sand mix dries very quickly. I would not leave the pool exposed and not covered all winter long. The PB had me fill the pool to under the light first. Came back and installed the light, and then to the top. The pool was plugged already so there was no reason to close the pool, although I think they closed the MD when they were here.

I had my ground settle from December to May of the following year. A total of 4-6 weeks is clearly not enough time, unless you were using a tamper. But then again, near the pool and equipment, there should be no tampering done. The only other method would be to backfill manually and use water every 3" to ensure settling of soil. This I can see as an option, but PB do not backfill this way, but instead with machines and it is done pretty quickly. By hand, it could take days.

- - - Updated - - -

Even in the spring, I poked around with a stick and some more water and there were a lot of air pockets and soil settled over 1' (have pictures to prove it). Near the steps, I actually removed all the soil by hand in the spring and backfilled under the steps (a lot of work, but worth it). When I was done with the step area, there was over 2' of settling. This goes to show you that 4-6 weeks is not enough time.

To compensate, I went in and added crushed stone all the way around instead of more soil. A lot of stone, but protection. The mason was kind enough to put the forms in about 3 weeks earlier.

Thanks for the advice. Great looking pool! Any photo's after all complete?
 

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