New Build in Red Stick- **pic heavy** 3-25 update

Lershac

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Digging Started Today

Pool Specs

~20000 gal pool 20X30' rectangle with a 10X10 tanning shelf.
9'X9' square spa w/12 or so jets. Waterway Polystorms of varying flows.
2 skimmers
5 returns, 1 deep end, 1 shallow, 2 tanning shelf, and 1 spa.
dual main drain.
spa drain (s?) (a strip drain or dual sump drains? suggestion?)
main filter pump the new pentair 011018
separate jet pump, also the 011018, so we can adjust flow as desired.
cartridge filter (ccp 520)
SWG intellichlor IC40
Pentair Nat Gas heater 400KBTU
Pentair 120r Heat Pump (mainly for cooling the pool in hot months, but hey, cheaper heat is a bonus)
Pentair Intellitouch automation
a few deck jet water features

First Pic of grading the site.
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Dropping the level of the yard a foot, then bringing in 4" gravel, 4" concrete, 2"sand, ~2" travertine pavers for the decking. This will make the coping of the pool and the deck level with the slab of our carport and 6" below the patio.
 
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They had a deviation from layout, one of the walls is dug out a significant bit too far, since this is MY build, not sure what the fix is... thinking to tie plywood spaced 3" off the back of the rebar on that side to provide a good backing for the gunite, then after cure just fill in with gravel or sand behind to make up the deficit. The issue was some significant roots that when disturbed cascaded ALOT of dirt into the pool and threw off his dig references.

Other issue (which was a misunderstanding on my part of their capabilities) the spa section is completely open to the pool on one side, instead of having the benches laid out in dirt... essentially I have a 3 sided spa that I will have to make up the 4th side completely with gunite or put some cement blocks in to provide structural fill for that side of the spa. Is that an acceptable practice? I will post pics and diagrams in the morning, I am completely worn out, though I am not sure what from all I did was run around with marking paint and a tape measure and surveyors leveling stick.

Gnight all!
 
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would it be ok to fill some of that in with cement block? This will wind up to be YARDS of gunite... that side is between 9 and 10 foot. Essentially they dug a 10X10X~5 half cube with one side open to pool. no seats at all, though I did get them to slope one side. We were really constrained by the size of the equipment (maneuverability) and the proximity to the house. I wince at the thought of all this gunite used to make up the seats.
 
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Hey! That's my pool!

You can see they completely dug out the Spa and constructed a wall with rebar between the spa and pool. My spa "wall" is not very big.

You can also see my back wall completely out of the ground. I know there was some additional engineering and rebar for the 'Raised Bond Beam'. Depending on how much extra dirt they removed from the side, they might just use a sheet of sheetrock to form the back wall. That is what they did for my esposed walls.

Or just make the pool bigger :cool:
 

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Can you elaborate?

Here are pics of the build finished:
Overview:
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Side messed up:

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A pit I had em dig to hold rainwater to be pumped out to street (I dont have enough fall in the landscape to use gravity so I have to use a catchment and pump).


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I especially want to hear how to correct the deviated side. Will what I proposed in an earlier post work? Tie some light board across the back of the wire with spacers to hold it 3" off the back of the rebar, shoot and then fill behind with gravel?

I am working on a much longer post to show the progress across the last 18 months of the entire project, I have been doing almost everything myself to save money and have something to do.
 
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Here is the deep end of my pool. The rebar guys just formed the steel wall up 'floating' in the air. The Gunite guys attached the sheetrock to the back side before shooting the gunite (held in some places 3" off the rebar by the same concrete blocks they use on the bottom of the pool). After the gunite was starting to set up they pulled off the sheetrock and cut the backside smooth.
 

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Warning... This is going to be a really long post. I hope you find it interesting.

So back up 18 months, I decided I wanted a pool, but also a carport and a large covered patio to go with it. So I worked up a design and pulled permits and got to work.

Some before pics:

The patio area:

The tree stump was a Hurricane Gustav gift, we lost a couple of trees which really looking back kicked off this whole thing. Without that tree the patio was miserable in the sun. It was small to begin with, a quarter circle slab with a 15' radius. We wanted something bigger, covered.
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The very rear of the house:

I had built a tin roof shed attached to the house to put stuff out of the weather. I built it well and it survived Gustav without a hitch. I wanted a real store room though.

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This pic is from after construction on the slab had started, but it gives you a better idea of the whole rear of the house. I relocated the tin roofed storage to the rear of the yard prior to this pic.

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So I decided to add on a large patio 15'X35' and extend a gable from the roof to cover it. I also decided to extend the rear part of the house to create a new carport and storage room. Behind that would be a 10' additional slab to accommodate future pool equipment, and other stuff.

I got estimates from contractors for this stuff that ranged from 80-100K. Yikes! We paid $85 K for our house in 1997. I thought the estimates were outrageous, but after talking to a contractor client (whom I had not asked for a bid) he said they were in line with current construction costs. He also said most of it was labor. We recently paid off the house and were almost completely debt free, so we were not willing to go back into debt to build this.

So much to my wifes dismay at the time, I decided to forge ahead and build it myself!

I put together some scale drawings, and started reaching out to clients (I am a consultant) who are in the construction trades for access to materials at wholesale. All of my clients were willing to help where they could.

One loaned me a bobcat and I used that to grade the site (and learned an appreciation for guys who use em, they are skilled, it took me a couple of weeks to become proficient).

With a rented jackhammer I broke up the patio.

I framed in the forms, and laid out everything, got the sewer line moved out of the future place where the pool would go, and while I was at it I got the plumber to rough in a bathroom for the pool area (wifes idea and a good one. Dont tell her I told you that.) In BR a plumber has to do sewer rough in and tie into the city sewer or I would have done that myself and saved several future headaches.

I knew that finishing concrete was as much art as trade, so I hired some great guys who finished it for me and taught me a lot about how to do it, timing the finishing etc. Still not something I would attempt alone, it takes a lot of manpower all at once.

A couple of construction pics from concrete day.

The single biggest expense of the concrete day was the pump truck. I didnt think we could handle the 2200SF pour with truck and wheelbarows or even a jitney buggy, so I went all out and hired a boom truck that could reach over the house and put the concrete where we wanted it. Thats me in the blue shirt. The pump truck guy had a neat lil double joystick thingy to control the truck remotely. He could even add water to the mix to correct slump on the fly.
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After the pour I wanted to give the concrete plenty of time to cure. This would also give me time to accumulate some cash and trade services for materials with some of my clients. (one of my clients is a home builder in BR)

The pour was a week or so before thanksgiving, and I wouldn't start construction again until Jan 1. Meantime, our first disaster struck.

Turns out the plumber had nicked the power line when digging for the sewer. One of our lines "powdered out" meaning it corroded in two on christmas eve. Half the power in the house went out. ALL 220V appliances were dead. Thankfully Entergy is a company I interned with in college, and we asked for and recieved a transformer that could pull the 2nd leg of power over the remaining leg (it offset the phase so they were opposing) and we had power for christmas, until they could come out and fix the issue.

Entergy came out and located the fault quickly, and dug down to the wire, only to hit the sewer line and flood the hole with raw sewage. Yum! Everything stopped, and entergy got on the phone with the plumber, who had evidently had bad holidays, because he refused to come out and actually cursed out the Entergy guy on the phone! Well, entergy laid some temporary lines to the house on top of the ground as a quick fix to the issue.

See part of my plans involved relocating my meter base and upgrading to 320A service. So they figured they would just do that and I would have the construction up and ready for the new service pretty quickly right? Well they hadn't talked to me about that or I would have let them know this was not a fast paced project, they just assumed when they saw the slab and the on hold order for upgraded service and panel move that it would be a week or so for framing and roof and then they could run new underground service and hang a new meter pan.

YIKES! I now have a clock ticking on my building plans. I also have unbreakered 220V 200A lines running through my yard and two neighbors yards on top of the ground. Light a fire under my slow butt why dontcha?

We and our neighbors cannot really let kids play in the backyard now... who knows what kids are going to do? I order materials and start construction on schedule Jan 1 2010.

I will leave you there while I write the next installment.
 
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So installment two:

We left off with Entergy bugging me to get the building ready for the power meter move. This meant I had to get the garage and storage roomed framed up, roofed and blacked in minimum.

This is what I got done january 1st. Storage room framed up and ready for the beams that would tie it in with the rest of the house. I also tore off the roof of part of the house to be able to set the beams and tie into the house. I was going to have the roofline higher in the additions to provide a higher ceiling and more spacious feel to the new parts so I was just setting the beams on top of the existing sill plates (plus it was easier lol)

Storage room:

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Roof Off:

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Jan 2 I set the beams. My dad, a wonderful neighbor across the street, and my wife helped. We had a small crisis of leadership, as we were all very concerned about safety (the beams weighed 500 lb apiece) and we went round and round about the best procedure to put them up, and finally my wife stepped in and prompted us to make a decision. God Bless her. She was actually the one to operate the jenny lift as us men were all on lines attached to the ends of the beams to keep them from shifting around and guide them into place.

Beams up:

No one got hurt and we got all worked up over nothing.

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Skip ahead a couple of days and I have the roof partially up, an impending rain was making me crazy that it would rain in my house with the roof off of it.


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Skip ahead a few more days, and roof is up and blacked in, HUGE electrical panel is in, and we have to pull service wire from new panel to old. I got a all-in-one cable with all the conductors in one sheath that is rated for direct burial, mainly coz I got a deal on it and it was crazy expensive for 50' of this 2-0 copper. I essentially got all 4 conductors for the price of one. Anywho... I ran a conduit through the attic (for my protection while working up there or storing stuff) and needed to pull the cable through the conduit. Sunday afternoon, wife is napping with strict instructions about waking her up (DONT). I need to get this cable pulled so I can get inspection. I try by myself and I just cant. No neighbors home. My 7 year old daughter comes up and tells me she wants to help. God Bless her! I am thinking no way, but I will humor her and we will try. I will be double doggonned if when she pulled and I pushed, we moved it 6". ITS ON! for 120 push pull cycles we worked together and got the cable pulled. It was really a cool afternoon with my daughter and something I will remember with great fondness. She worked like a dog. My wife woke up before we finished and came to help, but "no we got it" my daughter says and so we did. My wife took this staged pic to commemorate it.

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So after all that Entergy cannot schedule the move for a few weeks. Its now Jan 24th. Well, I will just move on to the next part while we wait.

We set the patio posts. My wife helped tremendously with this, and I had to use surveying tools to correct for slab faults in grade. She also drove in the nails to hold em in place.

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Good shot of the power lines running through everything. You know the unbreakered 220V 200A lines? Yeah I shot a nail into one by accident (really it was an accident, shot right through the board and into the line) and had great fun getting it out with my wife standing over me with a 2X4 to whack me in case I got shocked and couldnt let go. I prayed I had been a good husband. Evidently I had or she thought she couldnt get away with it.

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So construction proceeded while we now waited on entergy.

Did I tell you I am not the neatest worker in terms of cleaning up after myself? Well this pic of my backyard should give you some idea. Explanation after the pic.


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So this view is from the roof of the patio as I was working. You see the HUGE pile of dirt left over from grading the site. In the upper left you see the pool of stagnant sewer water that keeps filling back up due to the rain we keep having. That was one wet winter. Turns out the sewer line that entergy had hit was the OLD sewer line that had been buried and filled up with water. Still was not pleasant. So no, raw sewage was NOT continually flowing into that hole, it just seemed like it from all the rain. The green and white boxes stacked at the very top are my bees. I keep bees too. They play a part in this story!

So now entergy comes out to lay new service and has two requirements before they will do it. 1. Get rid of bees. 2. Remove pile of dirt from backyard.

I hadnt planned on moving the pile of dirt for some time (pool dig) but ok. Luckily I do work for a heavy construction company and they are good folks. They came by and picked it up and graded the whole back yard on a moments notice! I am blessed with generous friends and clients.

After about an hour and a half with a huge trackhoe and a very skilled operator:

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The bees I just covered and moved on the day they came. What they dont know wont hurt em. Entergy acted like I was breaking a law keeping bees. Nope. Licensed and everything. I think the crew foreman was just really scared of them.

So entergy came out and moved/upgraded my service. IN MARCH. Two months after I notified them I was ready. The Entergy (actually a subcontractor) foreman had the gall to hint around about a tip when they were finished. I just went and got my cart with the bee boxes on them and put the bees back in their spot. He left really fast! LOL.

Next came a new roof on the whole house. A really cool thing happenned that day. The bees swarmed while the workers were up on the roof. They all retreated over the other side of the roof crossing themselves and mutterring. I got my camera. It was a cool day. I hate to see the bees swarm, coz it means I havent been maintaining them like I should, and it decreases production for a few weeks (honey) but its still an amazing spectacle of nature.

The bee tornado doesnt show up on camera well, but they settled on a branch right above the hive and I got a good pic of that:

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After this, besides putterring around putting up ceiling and prepping for stucco I pretty much took the summer off. It was a miserably hot summer with 100% humidity A LOT. Construction picked up again when it cooled off in the fall. It was a safe stopping point b/c everything was watertight and I had alot of small mini-projects that would be good to accomplish on the rare days when it was nice enough outside that I was motivated to work on it.

I will leave you there with this installment. Supper time!
 
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So installment 3.

This one is mainly about Stucco. If you are ever in the mood to get into do-it-yourself stucco, save yourself some pain and just get a root canal.

I started the stucco process in late summer. Unfortunately I was pretty emotionally down at the time and didnt really think to take pictures of the early part of the process. I will briefly describe it here.

1. Coat everything you will stucco in tarpaper. Twice.
2. Install wire Lath over everything you want to stucco. This includes edging and expansion joints. These are important, they keep the stucco from cracking.
3. HIRE SOMEONE ELSE TO PUT THE STUCCO ON. <--I missed this part
4. Have a beer and enjoy.

Lord, I hated that stucco. Basically you mix up a ton of stucco mix and slap it on. Pros use a gun to spray it on. Idiots like me use a trowel and apply it one trowelful at a time. I applied 135 bags of stucco mix, each weighing 60 lb each. Throw it in the mixer, 2 bags max in the mixer I bought. Put water in. Go do something else for a 5 or 10 minutes. Check the mix, add water if needed. If its good dump it out and start trowelling it on. Traditional stucco is a 3-layer application. Scratch, Brown, and finish coats. So I got to know each and every board on the house intimately. It took me 3 months of weekends and holidays working like a freaking dog. I will say one of the benefits is you think. You think alot. I worked out a bunch of stuff in my head about phases of the job to come etc. I lost 35 lb putting up that stucco. I also had a blood sugar incident where the doctors thought I had gone diabetic, my bloodsugar shot way up and stayed there, my vision went to heck, I was going #1 every five minutes and I attribute it all to killing myself working like a dog on that stucco.

I must say I am quite proud of finishing it though. After I recovered I took a little slower pace and monitored my bloodsugar frequently and cut back on the Mt Dew (I am an addict). Since then, my sugar has returned to normal behavior, and I can eat whatever and my body does just fine, sugar never gets whacky or anything.

A pic or two of the finished product below.

So this pic shows one of the gables with finish coat on and textured, with just the scratch coat on in the sections below it. (I had rented scaffolding to do the gables, so I did the layers as quickly as curing allowed, about a week apart for each layer just on the gables then returned the scaffolding and moved on to the stuff I could do on the ground or on a ladder). Between the scratch coat and the finish coat is the brown coat, which is as smooth as humanly possible (I am not evidently human, I cant get it very smooth. It takes practice. I am now OK at it.)



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The before pool dig pic shows the stucco as it looks today. Doors painted rain gutters up etc.

So a second on the rain gutters.

If you look closely at the design of the roof, you will see that there is a 10' section that the water for 1/3 of the entire roof comes off there. I knew this. It was pretty entertaining when it rained before the gutters went up. Our own Niagra Falls! I mean it. I tested it during a downpour and it would fill up a 5 gal bucket in a cpl seconds. Hence the drainage system to pump it out to the street.

SEE THE HUGE PRE-POOL pond we would get after a rain? I had a bilge pump setup that got rid of it within an hour but wow, it was annoying. Glad we finally got the gutters up.

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One other area to cover is just to show off the bathroom. Pic!

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And I am spent! There are other stories I may share along the way, but I am tired, spent the whole day powerwashing neighbors driveway, street and across the street neighbors curbs. One of my neighbors across the street is a really good guy and is trying to sell his house so I wanted to get all the dirt up that had been dropped in the street.

All I got done on the pool today was to throw about 100 shovels of gravel in the bottom, still only INFINITY more to go. Rebar and plumbing delivered this week for work on next weekend. Hope my darn order from Poolsupplyworld.com comes in. I am about to cancel it and order from somewhere else. I need those jet bodies to plumb the spa!
 
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Thanks Spillmar!

I have been watching your build very closely. I cant wait to see everything finished on yours, that sunken inset swim-up bar ROCKS :rockon: ! I cant wait to see it all come together, and am especially waiting to see that levitating hammock.

What kind of jets did you put in your spa and where did you source them? I am really upset that Poolsupplyworld.com hasn't shipped mine yet and need to switch suppliers and get them on the way.
 
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Rebar delivered yesterday. 7100 feet. Gotta get plumbing ordered and delivered for this weekend. For some reason I can't seem to bring myself to sit down and figure out exactly how much I need, imma just order a few hundred feet of 2" and 1.5 and some electrical conduit to get started. Enough to get ready for gunite. It's cheap.
 

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