I starting to understanding the Orenda system.

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ringi

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I think I now understand why Orenda recommended processes are used by many of the better pool service companies, while we all know that bleach can do so same job in a cheaper/simple way.

Pool services companies have a large travel time cost per visit, TFP members normally have zero travel time to visit their pools.
  • Saving a few visits on a pool opening is enough to justify use of Oranda product to do what a few days of testing and adding bleach 4 times a day does just as well.
  • Pool service companies can't depend on customer asking children to use the wc before the pool or asking gusts at a pool party to shower. Hence adding CV-600 so such biological loads have less effect on FC levels.
  • Pool service companies can't depend on customers checking FC after a pool party, hence keeping phosphates low so the damaged is limited.
  • Some pool service companies believe that they have a legal risk if FC is kept over 5.
  • Pool service companies can't depend on customers adding a little addational bleach before a pool party.
  • Many customers will tend to have pool parties on the same day.
  • Pool service companies can't control the size/type of filters their customers have.
  • Pool service companies can't depend on customers adding bleach if the power is cut to a pool.
 
This has always been the case for pool services- and pool stores no matter which brand they use/sell. While There are good products and not so good products from every manufacturer The TFP methods are generally impractical for those business models as they are geared towards pool owners . Also, many customers of these businesses are hoping/expecting a magic trick that makes the pool look better quickly no matter how this gets accomplished without realizing that the water looking decent doesn’t necessarily mean it’s sanitary & are unaware of many of the long term side effects and costs of some of the products. Along with the merry go round of - This product begats the need for this other product etc.
While visible algae is unsightly, it doesn’t harm you, the unsanitary conditions that led to the algae in the first place can so just treating the algae temporarily via algaecides or phosphate management is like only dealing with the symptoms and not curing the disease.
 
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ringi said:
but these days it easy for a pool service company to setup a salt water choline generator that mostly keeps choline high enough once they have reduced choline demand to normal levels.
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Nowhere in that statement is all the products that need selling on the Orenda plan.

Maybe the new Orenda advice to service professionals will be 'get them on SWG instead of all these chemicals we both get a cut of'.
 
ringi said:
Totally agree, but these days it easy for a pool service company to setup a salt water choline generator that mostly keeps choline high enough once they have reduced choline demand to normal levels.
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If they are smart & the homeowner goes for it!
There have been many discussions here about a TFP type service model that only works with clients that have a swcg & a robot 😄 it would be somewhat doable but then your clientele really wouldn’t need you much- not super scalable.
 
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Mdragger88 said:
If they are smart & the homeowner goes for it!
There have been many discussions here about a TFP type service model that only works with clients that have a swcg & a robot 😄 it would be somewhat doable but then your clientele really wouldn’t need you much- not super scalable.
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Not convinced a robot is needed, as a once a week brush/vac plus FC check should give reasonable results with a swcg if a SLAM was completed at opening.
 
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