Hayward AQR S3

[wahoo98]

Anyone familiar with the Hayward Aquarite S3? We have an inground pool And that is the SWG that was installed. I am trying to dial in the percentage setting to optimize performance but also not prematurely use up the turbo cell. The cell installed is a T-340. I can’t figure out from the display when the cell is generating and when it is not. I can’t find anything in the manual that answers my question. We don’t have the optional temp sensor so that is the yellow warning light. Also I know salt is a little high. I added 14-40 lb bags last weekend (calculated I needed 16) and for some reason it was more than 8 needed. It has since come down with lots of rain recently. Also, when I paise my VSP pump to backwash or change a setting, do I need to turn the salt cell off? TIA!

 

[ajw22]

I can’t figure out from the display when the cell is generating and when it is not.

There does not appear to be an indicator on the Home Screen to show if the cell is generating.

It looks like youw ould need to go into Service Mode and check the volts and amps to see if it is generating...

Service mode - View status of the following:
1. Chlorination - view various parameters including cell temperature, cell type, relay
polarity, cell current, cell voltage, chlorination setting. This screen will also allow you
to manually change polarity, enable super chlorination and change the chlorination
setting.

Also, when I paise my VSP pump to backwash or change a setting, do I need to turn the salt cell off? TIA!

If you turn your VSP on and off from the S3 screen it should stop the chlorinator when the pump is off.

 

[wahoo98]

There does not appear to be an indicator on the Home Screen to show if the cell is generating.

It looks like youw ould need to go into Service Mode and check the volts and amps to see if it is generating...

Service mode - View status of the following:
1. Chlorination - view various parameters including cell temperature, cell type, relay
polarity, cell current, cell voltage, chlorination setting. This screen will also allow you
to manually change polarity, enable super chlorination and change the chlorination
setting.



If you turn your VSP on and off from the S3 screen it should stop the chlorinator when the pump is off.

Thank your replying! Regarding the VSP, it is not controlled by the SWG. But I think I figured out since the SWG is driven by the flow switch, it should turn its self off, correct?

 

[ajw22]

But I think I figured out since the SWG is driven by the flow switch, it should turn its self off, correct?

The flow switch should be the secondary safety device. The primary safety device, automation or a timer, should not let the SWG be powered when the pump is off.

We have seen cells catch on fire and explode due to being powered with the pump off and the flow switch failed closed.

Why is your VSP not connected and controlled by the S3?

 

[wahoo98]

Idk. It is a question we have for the PB. The pump appears to be wired to the S3 control box and both are independently wired to a timer. When I configured the S3 it didn’t “find a pump”. I want to run my VSP 24 hours so I removed the stop “pin” from the timer. I specifically requested a Hayward SWG and I don’t think PB is that familiar with them. I have had to set it all up by myself once the electrical was complete

 

[ajw22]

You should not have your pump on a timer. It should have continuous power and then have a low voltage RS-485 control wire to the S3 to control it.

See https://www.hayward-pool.com/assets/documents/pools/pdf/manuals/092769-RevB.pdf

This is the way you should be setup...

 

[wahoo98]

You should not have your pump on a timer. It should have continuous power and then have a low voltage RS-485 control wire to the S3 to control it.

See https://www.hayward-pool.com/assets/documents/pools/pdf/manuals/092769-RevB.pdf

This is the way you should be setup...

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Thanks. I will talk to PB ASAP.

 

[wahoo98]

You should not have your pump on a timer. It should have continuous power and then have a low voltage RS-485 control wire to the S3 to control it.

See https://www.hayward-pool.com/assets/documents/pools/pdf/manuals/092769-RevB.pdf

This is the way you should be setup...

View attachment 417230

Thanks. I will talk to PB ASAP.

Thanks. I will talk to PB ASAP.

Here is a pic of our set up. Can’t see the pump because it is behind the filter but it has a connection going to the S3 and both VSP and S3 are independently connected to the timer.

 

[ajw22]

I can't tell much from the pic other then your builder used cheap ball valves instead of diverter valves. In a few years the ball valves will start sticking and need to be cut out and replaced.

What model pump do you have?

 

[wahoo98]

I can't tell much from the pic other then your builder used cheap ball valves instead of diverter valves. In a few years the ball valves will start sticking and need to be cut out and replaced.

What model pump do you have?

Hayward 1.65 TPH VS

 

[ajw22]

Hayward 1.65 TPH VS

Model number? Hayward has a few 1.65 TPH VS pumps.

 

[wahoo98]

Model number? Hayward has a few 1.65 TPH VS pumps.

SP2670020VSP

 

[ajw22]

SP2670020VSP

Edit - The S3 cannot control that pump.

 

[wahoo98]

The S3 can control that pump.

Hmmm. Well I wonder why it is not recognizing it when I do the set up? I have tried twice both times with VSP running at 1750 and 2000 rpm. I would assume that is enough flow for it to be “seen.”

 

[wahoo98]

The S3 can control that pump.

Note we don’t have the Omni automation. I don’t think that makes a difference but thought I would mention it.

 

[ajw22]

Note we don’t have the Omni automation. I don’t think that makes a difference but thought I would mention it.

The S3 is a new product and you are the first I have seen have it so I am just working off the manual.

The manual says the following:

Features
The AquaRite S3 offers the following features:
• can generate chlorine using a broad range of salt concentrations from 1200 PPM to 8000 PPM
• can control and schedule a Hayward Variable Speed (VSP) pump using the internal RS-485
connection, a Pentair VSP using a Hayward HLPMPCONV converter (sold separately) or a single
speed pump using a Hayward Smart Relay (sold separately)
• can control a gas heater, heat pump or any other heater that uses a low voltage on/off remote
connection (requires Hayward water temperature sensor sold separately)
• inputs for water and air temperature sensors (temperature sensors sold separately)
• connection for flow switch used to detect water flow
• connection for pool cover detection (lowers chlorine production when the pool is covered)
• can be powered by either 115 or 230 VAC
• offers recirculation freeze control which turns on the filter pump automatically to prevent freezing
(requires Hayward air temperature sensor sold separately)

If you have that box then you should have all those features.

Hmmm. Well I wonder why it is not recognizing it when I do the set up? I have tried twice both times with VSP running at 1750 and 2000 rpm. I would assume that is enough flow for it to be “seen.”

The pump just needs to have power for the automation to see it. It does not need to be on and have flow.

Page 13 in the S3 manual says:

Hayward Variable Speed Pump (VSP) Wiring
The Hayward TriStar 950, TriStar 900, Super Pump 700 and MaxFlo 500 pumps wire directly to the
RS-485 connector and will be fully controlled by the AquaRite S3 (schedules and speeds). Refer to
the VSP Communication Wiring table and diagrams on the following page for VSP communication
wiring instructions. For Pentair VSP models, use a Hayward HLPMPCONV converter (sold separately).
Refer to the HLPMPCONV instructions for wiring information. After wiring, run the communication
cable through the low voltage Wiring Channel (same as Smart Relay above).

Your problem may be that you do not have a Hayward TriStar 950, TriStar 900, Super Pump 700 or MaxFlo 500 pumps that wires directly to the RS-485 connector and will be fully controlled by the AquaRite S3 (schedules and speeds).

I suggest you call Hayward Support and see if the Superpump VS you have is compatible with the S3.

It would be a shame for your builder to have given you a pump that is not compatible.

I would demand the pump be changed to a compatible pump the S3 can control.

 

[wahoo98]

The S3 is a new product and you are the first I have seen have it so I am just working off the manual.

The manual says the following:

Features
The AquaRite S3 offers the following features:
• can generate chlorine using a broad range of salt concentrations from 1200 PPM to 8000 PPM
• can control and schedule a Hayward Variable Speed (VSP) pump using the internal RS-485
connection, a Pentair VSP using a Hayward HLPMPCONV converter (sold separately) or a single
speed pump using a Hayward Smart Relay (sold separately)
• can control a gas heater, heat pump or any other heater that uses a low voltage on/off remote
connection (requires Hayward water temperature sensor sold separately)
• inputs for water and air temperature sensors (temperature sensors sold separately)
• connection for flow switch used to detect water flow
• connection for pool cover detection (lowers chlorine production when the pool is covered)
• can be powered by either 115 or 230 VAC
• offers recirculation freeze control which turns on the filter pump automatically to prevent freezing
(requires Hayward air temperature sensor sold separately)

If you have that box then you should have all those features.



The pump just needs to have power for the automation to see it. It does not need to be on and have flow.

Page 13 in the S3 manual says:

Hayward Variable Speed Pump (VSP) Wiring
The Hayward TriStar 950, TriStar 900, Super Pump 700 and MaxFlo 500 pumps wire directly to the
RS-485 connector and will be fully controlled by the AquaRite S3 (schedules and speeds). Refer to
the VSP Communication Wiring table and diagrams on the following page for VSP communication
wiring instructions. For Pentair VSP models, use a Hayward HLPMPCONV converter (sold separately).
Refer to the HLPMPCONV instructions for wiring information. After wiring, run the communication
cable through the low voltage Wiring Channel (same as Smart Relay above).

Your problem may be that you do not have a Hayward TriStar 950, TriStar 900, Super Pump 700 or MaxFlo 500 pumps that wires directly to the RS-485 connector and will be fully controlled by the AquaRite S3 (schedules and speeds).

I suggest you call Hayward Support and see if the Superpump VS you have is compatible with the S3.

It would be a shame for your builder to have given you a pump that is not compatible.

I would demand the pump be changed to a compatible pump the S3 can control.

Thank you so much for all of your help! I am wondering if the electrician didn’t wire something correctly. But I will call Hayward tomorrow and confirm that the S3 should run the pump. I can also ask about how to know when chlorination is in on vs off. I am also wondering if should do a firmware update and if that would change anything with the pump. Again thanks for the help. It has been a little frustrating that it is such a new product and not much info available on it.