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YippeeSkippy

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The problem with the pool built around the tree is not only will you get a LOT of debris in the pool, but if the tree is anywhere close to the size it is drawn as the pool build itself can very well damage the tree. Those roots are extending as far as the canopy. You'll be cutting into them.... so the tree might die from the damage anyway. How about an arbor in a position to help shade a specific area of the pool during the late afternoon?

I'd opt for removing the tree and enlarging the pool width. If you can lengthen it it will encourage more actual swimming. The baha shelf is taking up a lot of swim space.

I would also go with 4' as your minimum shallow end. Perhaps 4-5-4? That allows for sports & swimming without scraping knuckles. 3'6" is just too dang shallow.

Maddie :flower:
 

kimkats

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Lets talk about the depth some. 5' is an odd depth as you can't really stand in it as the water will be right at the average female's face and it is not deep enough to even cannon ball into safely. If you want the kids to be able to jump in safely (we KNOW they WILL be jumping in so....) I would think about going 4' to 6'.

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jugalo

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May 15, 2015
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Highland Village, TX
The problem with the pool built around the tree is not only will you get a LOT of debris in the pool, but if the tree is anywhere close to the size it is drawn as the pool build itself can very well damage the tree. Those roots are extending as far as the canopy. You'll be cutting into them.... so the tree might die from the damage anyway. How about an arbor in a position to help shade a specific area of the pool during the late afternoon?

I'd opt for removing the tree and enlarging the pool width. If you can lengthen it it will encourage more actual swimming. The baha shelf is taking up a lot of swim space.

I would also go with 4' as your minimum shallow end. Perhaps 4-5-4? That allows for sports & swimming without scraping knuckles. 3'6" is just too dang shallow.

Maddie :flower:
All good points, I am taking all of this into consideration. And those depths have been deepened 4'-6.5'.

Thanks this is all very useful to us.
 

d_red1

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Jul 21, 2016
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Keller, TX
I would hate to cut down that tree myself but it may be a lost cause with the pool so close. Your tree guy should know to limit any construction within the drip line.
Some other thoughts, Oncor charged me $1500 to pull the wire on my re-route in the conduit that I laid. I know you have a different power utility but $4k seems excessive. It should not take a crew more than a day to lay that conduit and it is less than $200 in materials.
Same with the sewer re-route. Although it is more difficult than the electric, I doubt it will take more than 2 days (even if it is deep) to run the pipe around the pool and add some clean outs. Again, less than $500 in materials (including bedding stone).
My final thoughts. Leave the sewer where it is. Rotate the pool 90degree and move the spa to behind the house in the area of the new sewer, reconfigure deck as necessary. Take that $6k "savings" from the sewer and either pay a company to spade and relocate the tree (or buy a new one that has a guarantee) and place it in the upper right hand corner of your lot.

Edit: link for tree farm company that can also move the tree: Large Trees For Sale | Tree Nursery | Fannin Tree Farm
 
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jugalo

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Great ideas. Yes I wish I had Oncor. TNMP is $1750 and the lowest number for an electrician to trench lay conduit and cover it was $1600. Its 80 feet. The sewer runs diagonally through the yard. I had 3 bids from master plumbers. All in the $9-$10000 range. 70 feet 3-7 feet in depth. One company said they would charge $2000 if I dig it.
 

kimkats

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The tree removal should be a stand alone thing. Your PB might be able to suggest a good tree person BUT you don't want him to arrange it as he will charge you a "finders fee" of sorts. Also make sure to include stump removal in the price/work.

I really think you will be happy you did this now. It only took us 2 months to decide to remove a tree that was close to our pool. We had NO extra money as we were still trying to sell the old house but we had that tree removed as it was making such a mess in the pool! Best thing we decided to do. Made our pool life MUCH easier!

Kim:kim:
 

JRo

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Aug 13, 2019
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Rockwall, TX
Agree with above. Tree has to go. My neighbors have an arbor that has a waterfall. It could provide you shade and a nice sound. I would be concerned with the root cuts killing the tree anyway.
 

YippeeSkippy

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I'm going to disagree with Kim :kim: for the first time in TFP history- the tree cutter can cut the tree down leaving a *tall* stump. When they come to dig out the pool that taller stump makes it easy for the heavy equipment digger-machine-thingie to leaver that stump up and out of there. I learned that when we had a mess of trees taken down for our build. They got the big root ball out entirely.
(When I say "tall" stump, it was like 3-4' high)

Maddie :flower:
 
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mguzzy

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I was thinking the same thing Maddie said... then I saw she already posted it. That's doesn't involve an arborist.. just some dude with a chain saw ;)

You can still have a tree there if you want.. a lot of people don't like the extra leaves and stuff a tree brings.. but I like mine trees and see it as the cost of having a green and shady yard. BUT I think it would be easier to remove the tree and the plant something that would be more fitting for landscaping. An evergreen or non decidous shade tree would still be nice there.. and something that isn't going to give you root-problems in the long run.
 
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jugalo

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So a lot has happened since my last update. Decided to take the advice of the forum and remove the tree. Sad but we are already over it. That allowed for a new design. A design that allowes for future building in my yard.
 

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jugalo

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Highland Village, TX
Then we spent around six weeks playing games with the power company to re-route, electricians to dig and lay conduit, a failed inspection a redo and finally new cable placed. Not to mention my fios fiberoptic cable being severed. And a couple of weeks to reroute sewer line which unfortunately runs over 8 feet down at its terminal point. But in the end it got done and had to remain buried under pool. But all new pvc should last another 40 plus years as the last did.

Dig 12-19
 

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