Backwash procedure for pool with 2 filters

They are proposing filters with a design flow rate less than what you currently have.

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Since the filters themselves are quite old and the fiberglass is known to warp and leak, the best solution is to completely replace the filters at this time and eliminate possibilities for future needed repairs.
Does nothing to address your flow rate concern. As a matter of fact the proposed filters may make your problem worse as the design flow rate is less than your current filters. Are the tanks leaking now? I’ve seen plenty of 20 year old fiberglass tanks that work just fine. Why not install unions (if not there currently) as a precaution to make future repairs faster and easier when needed.

The multiport valves are completely compromised as they will drain the pool without ball valve in discharge line shut.
While this may be an issue and should be addressed, repairing will do little to improve your flow rate concern.

  • The plumbing configuration is not hydraulicly efficient as the system is bushed down from 3” to 2” pipe before the system splits off the two filters.
Increasing pipe size to 3” may increase your flow rate. What size pipe is on the suction side of the pump coming from your pool to the pump?

No bypass for the heater.
The heat exchanger is a huge bottleneck to flow. I’d install a bypass with a metering valve that allows you to send just enough water to the heater to allow it to operate properly, while allowing the majority of the water to return to the pool without passing through the heat exchanger and impeding flow.

Hopefully @mas985 and @JamesW can chime in on best places to look for you to increase your flow to the mandated flow rate.
 
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Another (unrelated) issue we are having is a flow rate that is not meeting state requirements. Flow rate is typically 120 gpm. 170 gpm is required. From comments above it sounds like our pump is very capable of delivering that amount of flow. Any idea what would be the most like cause or the first things to explore? If I sent photos of plumbing configuration would that help? We have three different proposals from a pool company to try to address this. Would it help if I sent those?
Can you describe the plumbing is a lot more detail and/or post a schematic of the entire plumbing system complete with all fittings, valves and basically anything that touches the water flow stream?

What is the filter pressure of each filter?
What is the height of the filter gauge relative to water level?

I can run head loss calculations to determine if the plumbing setup should be better than it is or it is operating as expected. But I need as much detail on the plumbing you can provide. A picture of the equipment would be helpful as well.

The vendor mentions the 3" pipe bushed down to 2" as being "hydraulic inefficient." This seems to be the same as what you are saying is a likely cause of the restricted flow. Flow rate is measured daily. The flow meter is a FlowVis flow meter installed in pipe between pump and filter.
I doubt it. A 3" to 2" bushing does not have much head loss at all. The equivalent length of 2" pipe is less than 3'. At 120 GPM, this would be less than 0.6' of head which is not much at all and would not explain a lower flow rate. How much plumbing after the bushing and before the split to the filters is there?

They are proposing filters with a design flow rate less than what you currently have.
Two filters in parallel would work just fine. They just need to be a TR100C or larger assuming the flow rate can reach specification.
 
Hopefully, these pics will give a good view of our system. I believe that first pic is a bypass for the heater, right? Is this what you meant by a "metering valve"?
In the pic of the filter bulkheads, that top one was leaking last year, but was tightened and seems to be fine now. Any thoughts on how best to proceed to address the low flow rate are greatly appreciated. Right now we are running at 120 gpm. Need to get to 170 gpm. Let me know if you need more pics or other information. I meant to look for the model number on those filters to see if they are TR-140C, but forgot....will check that and update later.
 

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Filter pressures run about 20 psi. I can post pics of those if necessary. Do you mean the height of the guage on the top of the filter relative to the water level?
Yes. Sometimes commercial pool equipment is below water level. I just wanted to make sure they were the same pressure which would indicate similar flow rates.

Also, the bushings are after the split so are carrying only half the flow rate and a quarter the head loss (<0.15').

The valve right after the pump, is that 100% open?
 
Yes. Sometimes commercial pool equipment is below water level. I just wanted to make sure they were the same pressure which would indicate similar flow rates.

Also, the bushings are after the split so are carrying only half the flow rate and a quarter the head loss (<0.15').

The valve right after the pump, is that 100% open?
Some of the plumbing is below water level in the "pit". I did not include pics of that plumbing. The filters are definitely above water level.
That valve after the pump is always adjusted to mainatin 30 psi on the guage that sits right in front of the valve. That is what pool company advised.
 
Some of the plumbing is below water level in the "pit". I did noit include pics of that plumbing. The filters are definitely above water level.
That valve after the pump is always adjusted to mainatin 30 psi on the guage that sits right in front of the valve. That is what pool comapny advised.
That is what is limiting the flow rate to 120 GPM. Open that valve, and you will get higher flow rates.
 

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That is what is limiting the flow rate to 120 GPM. Open that valve, and you will get higher flow rates.
I will try that. Should I expect the pressure on that guage to go up or down as I open that valve? I'm assuming that I am moving it to the right to open it all the way. Will doing so affect any other parts of the system? Pool company always seems to set that valve to maintain 30 psi at that guage. I assumed there was a reason for that.

Also, would that small plug in the plumbing right before the flow meter affect the reading at all? That is where the old style flow meter was removed when the FlowVis was installed.
 
I will try that. Should I expect the pressure on that guage to go up or down as I open that valve?
The pressure will drop because you are reducing head loss and increasing the flow rate.

I'm assuming that I am moving it to the right to open it all the way. Will doing so affect any other parts of the system? Pool company always seems to set that valve to maintain 30 psi at that guage. I assumed there was a reason for that.
They may be limiting the flow due to the filters. Have you confirmed if they are TR140Cs? But even the TR140 should handle half of 170 GPM.

Also, would that small plug in the plumbing right before the flow meter affect the reading at all? That is where the old style flow meter was removed when the FlowVis was installed.
No it should not affect anything very much.
 
Hopefully, these pics will give a good view of our system. I believe that first pic is a bypass for the heater, right? Is this what you meant by a "metering valve"?
If you can get some better pics of the entire heating plumbing I can advise if there is a bypass with a metering valve. At this point it’s difficult to tell due to the pics.

That is what is limiting the flow rate to 120 GPM. Open that valve, and you will get higher flow rates.
Try this first….Mark is spot on and this may resolve your issue.
 
If you can get some better pics of the entire heating plumbing I can advise if there is a bypass with a metering valve. At this point it’s difficult to tell due to the pics.


Try this first….Mark is spot on and this may resolve your issue.
I opened that valve all the way. Pressure dropped about 5 psi. Flow did not change.
 
First guage is suction guage. Confirming TR-140C filter. Pressures on each filter.
 

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Posting some pics of plumbing in the "pit" to see if this sheds any light on things. Would that long stretch of vertical pipe be an issue?
 

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This gauge should have decreased in pressure but the filter pressure should increase. If not, the valve may be in the wrong position.

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This gauge should have decreased in pressure but the filter pressure should increase. If not, the valve may be in the wrong position.

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Yes.... it went down about 5 psi when I opened it all the way. I checked the flow meter and there was no change, so I put it back in the original position (where it was reading 30 psi).
 
Yes.... it went down about 5 psi when I opened it all the way. I checked the flow meter and there was no change, so I put it back in the original position (where it was reading 30 psi).
So the pump pressure, gauge right after the pump, when down by 5 PSI but did the filter pressure(s) change at all? If flow rate went up, the filter pressure should have gone up. The pictures you showed, look like the filter pressure was reduced but that should not happen unless the valve was in the wrong position. Again, the gauge near the pump should decrease in pressure and the filter pressure(s) should increase.

If the filter pressure changed but the flow meter did not, there might be an issue with the flow meter.

If the filter pressure did not change then that valve may not be doing what I think is doing. Is there another pipe coming off that valve (i.e. 3-way)?
 

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