Any Videos or Detailed Testing info on C-600 PH meter

Sunbaby

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Centerville, TX
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Chlorine
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Jandy Truclear / Ei
Hey guys! I ordered the PH and salt meter from TFP and have searched for any videos or detailed how-to Threads here. All I found was threads discussing whether or not it’s accurate enough :oops: I run water features all night to keep my pool cooler during the summer and thought it would be a less expensive way to test my pH — since I’m testing 3 times a week. I will still use my drop test weekly, & thought this might work the other times. But I would really like to watch some trusted videos to make sure I’m doing everything correctly.

Any suggestions from the gurus?

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I’m not a fan of multiple parameter meters. The pH probe should be stored in a storage solution while the EC probes are normally stored dry. I looked at a few google results and couldn’t find any instructions or calibration details. I wouldn’t trust any meter without calibration. Damaging an expensive SWG due to a cheep meter would be a big mistake.
 
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No offense intended towards the C-600 but I’ve not seen anyone having much luck with them. I can, with my personal experience, recommend the Apera PH60. I purchased one on May 10th of this year along with extra storage solution and additional pH Buffer solution of 8.2. That way I can periodically check the accuracy of the meter closer to the range I’m most interested in. Weekly checks and it is remarkably always within 0.01. It comes with 3 buffer solutions but so far have not been needed. Another advantage with this meter is that you can accurately measure pH even when FC is above 10.0.
 
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This is a new offering from TFTESTKITS.net.

This meter definitely has a lot of features that are not immediately useful for TFPC (conductivity, specific gravity, etc.), but there are two invaluable features:
1. According to @Sarah and Nate who run TFTESTKITS.net it offers very accurate and repeatable pH testing. Even though this level of accuracy is not required, it can be useful as it minimizes the amount of error in your readings. Nate indicated that calibration seemed pretty easy when he performed it as well.
2. It also offers very accurate and repeatable salt testing. Out of the box Nate was getting salt readings that were within 30 ppm of dropper testing with R-0718. Since the salt reagents cost almost $30 already, if this meter remains useful for a year plus it's certainly comparable to the dropper based test.

I don't want to mislead anyone here - @Sarah and Nate have carried these meters for around a month now so it's really too soon to tell of their long-term success. @Sarah and Nate are always happy to answer further questions via email at [email protected].
 
No offense intended towards the C-600 but I’ve not seen anyone having much luck with them. I can, with my personal experience, recommend the Apera PH60. I purchased one on May 10th of this year along with extra storage solution and additional pH Buffer solution of 8.2. That way I can periodically check the accuracy of the meter closer to the range I’m most interested in. Weekly checks and it is remarkably always within 0.01. It comes with 3 buffer solutions but so far have not been needed. Another advantage with this meter is that you can accurately measure pH even when FC is above 10.0.
Can you link me to posts where users are not having luck with the C-600?
 
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No offense intended towards the C-600 but I’ve not seen anyone having much luck with them.
I have seen only two posts on the C-600. This and one other asking if anyone has used them. There have been no posts with users not having much luck with them.
 
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My mistake. I got this meter mixed up with the other one that TFTestKits was selling. The general consensus on that one was that they left a great deal to be desired. In fairness, I have not seen anyone posting good results about the C-600 either. Yeah it’s new so I guess we shall see.
 
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I tested by putting it in a container with water and let it sit while I ran the same test with my kit. PH was a little lower than I would have read the color but that’s probably me reading color wrong. The salt showed a little lower than my test kit but not enough that I would be concerned it’s not accurate.

So far VERY happy with it! Just hoping for a video on how to best test to make sure I’m doing it correctly
 
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Scroll through some Utube videos of generic 7in1 meters.

There are some C-600 meters on amazon that look similar but there can be variation in the internal parts. The comments are that the instructions are hard to understand.

Does the meter instruction say anything about storage?

Do they say anything about the calibration point for the salt?
 

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It was in Kit hardware and accessories/pool accessories with the other pH meter and pressure gauges. But not there at the moment.
 
C-600 is out of stock at the moment. It was a new product and we wanted to see how everyone liked it. We’ve gotten good feedback and plan on restocking. However, I don’t have a good estimate of when they will be restocked but it will likely be at least a month. Apologies for the inconvenience!
 
I tested by putting it in a container with water and let it sit while I ran the same test with my kit. PH was a little lower than I would have read the color but that’s probably me reading color wrong. The salt showed a little lower than my test kit but not enough that I would be concerned it’s not accurate.

So far VERY happy with it! Just hoping for a video on how to best test to make sure I’m doing it correctly

Anyone using a meter should have a couple of shot glasses for rinsing and calibrating, some demineralised or distilled water and the appropriate calibration and storage solutions. Most meters have a factory set point at 1413uS (micro Siemens). The conversion factor to ppm is complicated but 1413uS is below 1000ppm NaCl so if a meter is to be used as a serious measuring tool it needs to be calibrated at a point close a pool’s salt level, 3000ppm or higher. For salt testing ensure the meter is set to ‘salt’ with a conversion factor of 0.5.

The factory calibration point is probably not too bad if it is used to test solutions like tap water that are below 1000ppm but the variance in error increases as you move away from the set point. To get an idea of the scale of variance see the table of calibration points for the Com-100.

I use a HM Com-100 currently calibrated to 5000ppm NaCl. It reads to 10ppm but in reality it is only good to the nearest 100ppm. Meters need a little time to settle before taking a reading, wait until the value stops changing to record the result. I rinse it in tap water and then in distilled or demineralized water in a shot glass. Dry with kitchen towel and cap to store. Some meters say to add a drop of water into the cap so that the probe is stored moist environment but not wet. Cleaning is done with alcohol on a cotton tip, then rinse, dry and stir as normal. Never store a meter in distilled water. Regular recalibration is very important, my meter have drifted away from the previous calibration point by about 60ppm over the last few months.

But that is for a salt meter. I have the HM pH meter which is rinsed the same way but then stored in a storage solution, potassium chloride or KCl. I’ve never had much luck with pH meters, I only use my pH meter immediately after calibration. Most of the time it’s just stored away and in reality for general pool maintenance the phenol red and comparator is all that is needed. HM have a pH/TDS meter and recomended storing it upright in a potassium chloride solution so I would suggest the C-600 meter should be stored the same.

The pH standards should be made up as accurately as possible using distilled water but I would preference pre made standards over the salt sachets. Choose calibration solution either side of the testing range, for pool values 7 and 10 would be best. When calibrating use a small 20ml volume of calibration solution in a shot glass. Always discard the small portion of solution after calibration. Don’t be tempted to put it back to use the next time.

I use quality lab grade calibration solutions, a 3000ppm NaCl and 5000ppm NaCl which gives me confidence in the results. But nothing is perfect and mistakes can happen so is always a good idea to keep an eye on your SWG. The calibration point for my meter is user selectable but some meters have a set point, 5000ppm NaCl, 6440ppm NaCl or 12.88mS/cm (KCl).

I calibrate my meter then test a pool sample and verify the same pool sample with the chromate and silver nitrated test. From there I am essentially tracking the change in salt over time rather than recording absolute values. In theory a salt meters reading should always be slightly higher than the chromate silver nitrate drop test. Salt and temp is very handy for the CSI input which I record and monitor at every test.

Another thing that I have started doing is to prepare a reference solution with demineralized water and a little pool salt immediately after calibration. The reference solution is made to match the calibration solution using the meter. I use it every second test to keep an eye on my meters calibration without a constant need to use my expensive calibration solution.

Device/CalibrationHanna 3g/LACR 4000 dilutionACR 5000
Com-100
ACR 5000*
3060
+60
4080
+80
5000
Com-100
ACR 4000*
3020
+20
40004880
-120
Com-100
Hanna 3g/L
30003950
-50
4820
-180

* The ACR 5000ppm is the stock solution, ACR 4000 is a dilution.

Edit: I think the above results are very good. When calibrated to 3000ppm it was reading 180ppm low in the 5000ppm solution which is within the tolerance or error factor for the chromate silver nitrate test. My meter, the HM com-100, appears to preform best when calibrated to 5000ppm. A lot of the manufacturers instructions for use recommend to calibrate as close as practical to the sample value or in our case the SWG’s optimal operating level. Most of these meters have a pre set point close to normal tap water levels so its important to re-calibrate them to salt water pool levels.
 
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C-600 is out of stock at the moment. It was a new product and we wanted to see how everyone liked it. We’ve gotten good feedback and plan on restocking. However, I don’t have a good estimate of when they will be restocked but it will likely be at least a month. Apologies for the inconvenience!
Any idea when these may be back in stock?
 
I just purchased this C-600 and instructions are indeed quite succinct so to speak 😅. I came here for the same reasons as OP.

I wanted to measure TDS, here are the instructions to calibrate TDS:
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What do the "1413", "12.88" and "111.8" numbers mean? What is this 12.88mS/cm solution they are talking about? All I got in the package was powder to make the solutions for the pH calibration.
 
I was not provided the TDS calibration solutions by the manufacturer but they are quite easy to acquire online. I plan to offer them in the future.
Do you have a link to share? All I found was this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D4V4DT8G but it seems like I can only order a 4-pack of 1413, a 4-pack of 12.88 and a 4-pack of 111.8 even though I only need one of each. This would be as expensive as the meter itself.

Side note: a bit disappointed to discover that additional solutions need to be purchased only after receiving the device :(
 
12.88mS/cm (millisiemens per cm) and 1413uS/cm (microsiemens per cm) are EC (electrical conductivity) solutions normally formulated with potassium chloride, KCl. EC is the primary value of measure. All the others are the EC value times a conversion factor. 12.88mS/cm is close to 6440ppm NaCl and the 1413uS/cm is much lower at 692ppm NaCl. I’ve never seen 111.8mS/cm but I guess its close to sea water and way too high.
 
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