Advice on deck drains

todd.brock

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Jan 18, 2018
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Hey all- I’m in the middle of a build that’s round third and heading for home. Concrete is happening whenever it quits raining this week- time for final decisions.

We got a lot of rain last few days and my mind turns toward deck drains. We are going to have an upper and lower patio. I assume the concrete guy doesn’t design drains. We live on a slope so I’d love to get some thoughts on how deck drains are decided, who installs, etc.


Just for reference - here the project.
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I don't know the answer to that, but I wouldn't assume it isn't something the concrete guy would help with. He should certainly have experience with them, as they are common. The concrete guy would be responsible for forming all the slopes: those draining water away from your pool, and those funneling water into drains. Worth asking him about it. Should have been part of the overall plan, if there was a designer involved. No help there, I realize, just bumping your thread...

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And to ask: does your pool have an overflow system? One that will keep heavy rains from overflowing your pool? If not, now's the time to consider one (well, it would have gone in much sooner, but technically it's not too late, but will be once the deck is down). Ask your pool installer if that type of pool can make use of one, and if they are OK to have in your climate and yard, etc. If so, an overflow system sure beats trying to syphon off your pool while it's pouring rain in the middle of winter...

Mine is both an overflow and and autofill system, combined. I never have to think about the water level: it's never too low, never too high.

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Dirk- you bring up some good points. I brought it up to The construction supervisor and he thought it would be a good idea on top patio. His son runs the construction company, so the same guys all work together. I will make sure to meet and get everyone’s feedback.

I spoke with a plumbing co, and it would be at least $2500 to run a water line underground. It was just too much money. I debated an irrigation system before sod, but I’m running out of time to get grass down. I may be stuck with the hose for filling. That said- I would be interested in the draining piece. I’ll have to check with PB b/c that would have to be cut in to the wall and back fill removed.


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$2500? Yikes. That might be because of how deep it has to be due to your frost line? Bummer, it's a great convenience. For comparison sake: I hired a guy (day laborer) who helped me run a new water main from street to valve, at least 50', and paid him a couple hundred bucks. We put it 15" deep. He did the digging, I did the plumbing. I used PEX, which has a little give to it and is every easy to work with. I ran it inside some 2" PVC as a little extra gopher protection. I doubt the whole project was more than $400, including new valve and pressure reg, etc.

Would you have to blow out a fill line in winter? That might be more trouble than using a hose x-number of times in the summer. I don't know what pool owners in OH typically do about auto-fillers. Maybe not done at all? You're not that much farther north the I am...

The overflow on my pool is nice because it originates in a tank that is separate from the pool, connected via an equalizer tube, which means it's not subject to waves and splashing. But an overflow can be much simpler, and wouldn't require much excavation. Just a simple grate covering a hole in the side of your pool, a few inches below your coping, connected to a PVC pipe that runs off into your yard. It wouldn't be very deep, just below the deck, I would think. Again, something to discuss with your PB.

And just for giggles (if autofill is possible in your climate), here's a couple of crazy ideas. Install a fill line, or something like the PoolMiser, and stub out the supply pipe just enough to get out from under the new deck. So that if you happen upon a windfall, you could later spring for the connecting pipe. Once the deck is down, you won't have the option. Theoretically, you could even run the pipe out of the ground, and connect your hose to it. Is there a discrete path from a hose bib to your pool, where if you left a hose connected like that it wouldn't be too obnoxious? So you connect up a hose in the hottest months, when filling by hand is a drag, then disconnect in the winter. Then someday, run a permanent underground solution when you have the dough?

I'm only pushing this because I'm projecting. I know myself: without autofill, I'd either neglect the chore and the water would get below the skimmer opening (potentially very bad for the pump), or I'd forget the running hose and come out the next day to a full pool, a flooded yard, and/or a not-so-nice surprise on my water bill.

Just thinkin' out loud with ya...
 
Hey Dirk!

Part of the cost is being 4ft below ground and then a frost proof faucet. I got the call today that concrete forms are going in tomorrow. So the ship I believe has sailed. Fort. My drain is right next to pool pad, so it will be easy to drain. Sucks I’ll have to check the level in winter and drain periodically.

More photos to come!! The end COULD and near


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