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    Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    Hi,
    I am about to put in an offer on a new construction home. The house is just finished and we'd like to roll the pool into the mortgage so we need to finalize estimates before closing.

    I have a ton of questions and I hope someone here can help - I have been reading lots of posts in the forum to try to catch up...

    We are looking for the following (roughly):

    1. A pool that is somewhat freeform but will allow, in the long dimension, decent swimming for exercise so we figured we'd want a 4 foot to 8 foot drop off from one end to the other with the length in that direction being at least 33 feet (10m). The 8 foot depth is for (moderate) diving.

    2. We also want the pool to be a relaxing feature for entertaining so on the sides away from the 'lane' we'd like a shelf for sun bathing and perhaps a bench for sitting and relaxing.

    Does that make sense as a starting point?

    We have some questions:

    We are not sure whether we want a waterfall or a spa with an overflow instead - can a reasonably priced spa give enough flow to get the kind of relaxing noise one gets from a standalone waterfall?

    We think we want some automation of the pool (no manual messing around) and saltwater as well as fiber-optic light(s) for evenings.

    We are buying in the Woodlands, TX... any idea what kind of price that would be?

    Also, in terms of decking, how much more (for a given area) is stamped concrete over pea gravel? What about kool deck?

    Any help you can provide would be most appreciated... we just relocated from California and we are juggling so many balls at the moment we need LOTS of help!

    And we'll be sure to post pics of the process

    Thanks
    UKMatt
    37x20, 23,500 gallon gunite, irregularly shaped, hayward 1.5 super pump, hayward 4820 DE filter, northeast geo

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    Re: Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    Matt,
    Welcome to the forum (and Texas). I’m sure you will find the information you are looking for here, we did.

    It sounds like we had similar requirements for our pool; long swim lane, 4’-8’ depth, tanning ledge, water feature. Our back yard is long (100’) but not very wide. With the setbacks required by the city we were left with only 16’ to work with. We worked with a couple of pool builders before calling in a landscape architect. You can see our progress at the link below.

    Your ideas sound reasonable but you may want to consider making the pool longer if possible. Most people we talked with felt that for swimming laps you needed a pool between 40 and 50 feet. Anything less would mean changing directions too quickly, especially if you are doing flip turns.
    We chose to have a moss rock wall and waterfalls along the back of the pool to get the running water sound. Our neighbor has an 18” raised spa with cascading flagstone spillover that provides plenty of sound.

    Hope that helps.
    Pool completed in the fall of 2008.
    Landmark's pool build

    Freeform 26' x 45' IG gunite, 4' to 8' deep, 29,500 gallons, WetEdge PearlMatrix Tropical Mystic, Freeform 8' X 11' Ultimate 16 jet spa, 38' moss rock weeping wall and 3 waterfalls,

    4 pumps (Intelliflo 4X160 filter pump, WhisperFlo 3HP spa pump, Pentair 2 1/2HP WaterFall pump, cleaner booster), EasyTouch 8 controls, Quad DE 100 filter, MasterTemp 400K heater, Pentair Legend Platinum cleaner, 995 sqft. Sundek.

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    Re: Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    Quote Originally Posted by landmark218
    Matt,
    It sounds like we had similar requirements for our pool; long swim lane, 4’-8’ depth, tanning ledge, water feature. Our back yard is long (100’) but not very wide. With the setbacks required by the city we were left with only 16’ to work with. We worked with a couple of pool builders before calling in a landscape architect. You can see our progress at the link below.
    You're right - I have actually been following your pool build with great interest - I hope things are going well!

    Quote Originally Posted by landmark218
    It sounds like we had similar requirements for our pool; long swim lane, 4’-8’ depth, tanning ledge, water feature. Our back yard is long (100’) but not very wide. With the setbacks required by the city we were left with only 16’ to work with. We worked with a couple of pool builders before calling in a landscape architect. You can see our progress at the link below.
    We are on a pie slice shaped lot with local setback requiring a pool be no closer than 10 feet from the rear fence. We therefore have about 27.5 feet front to back to play with. We'd like to have the pool fit roughly within the rear of the house (not extend past the ends) for privacy reasons... so that gives us 42.5 feet side to side with lots of space beyond for decking (which can extend past the house as we don't mind).

    We were thinking of the full width being the lap lane and then the spa and sun shelf being on the 'sides', one near the house and one on the other side of the pool. We are thinking of only a spa because I think we can only afford either a water feature or a spa and our realtor says resale is better on the spa...

    Did you share your pricing on the forum at all? I fully understand if you keep that information to yourself but if it's out there I'd love to get some idea of a comparison as you aren't that far from us...

    Thanks very much for the help so far!

    UKMatt
    37x20, 23,500 gallon gunite, irregularly shaped, hayward 1.5 super pump, hayward 4820 DE filter, northeast geo

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    Re: Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    Matt, PM me and I can give you more details.
    Pool completed in the fall of 2008.
    Landmark's pool build

    Freeform 26' x 45' IG gunite, 4' to 8' deep, 29,500 gallons, WetEdge PearlMatrix Tropical Mystic, Freeform 8' X 11' Ultimate 16 jet spa, 38' moss rock weeping wall and 3 waterfalls,

    4 pumps (Intelliflo 4X160 filter pump, WhisperFlo 3HP spa pump, Pentair 2 1/2HP WaterFall pump, cleaner booster), EasyTouch 8 controls, Quad DE 100 filter, MasterTemp 400K heater, Pentair Legend Platinum cleaner, 995 sqft. Sundek.

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    Re: Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    I think the sound from a waterwall is more relaxing as it has more of a random pitch/gurgle as opposed to a spillover that is typically a more constant sound.

    That having been said, it's hard to relax in a waterfall -- I vote for the spa.


    (and 33 feet would be too short for laps.)

    Steve
    Pool: 625 SF Free-Form In-Ground Shotcrete Pool w/7.5' dia spa.(8 jets), 24" raised bond beam (22,500 gal)
    Pentair Equip: Intelliflo VF Pump, MasterTemp 400 Heater, IC40 SWG, Quad DE 100 Filter
    Automation: IntelliTouch i7+3 (+ extender panel), 6 Jandy Automated Valves (S, R, Spa Bypass, Solar, Cleaner, Spillway)
    Other: 75% Solar, Kreepy Kruiser Cleaner, Tan Hip-Hop Diving Board (a bit curved) on 606 Cantilever Base (SR Smith)
    Links: [TFP Pool Build Thread] - [TFP Landscaping Thread]

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    Re: Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    Quote Originally Posted by landmark218
    Matt, PM me and I can give you more details.
    I tried - not sure if you got anything... the PM is stuck in my outbox... let me know if you get it.

    UKMatt
    37x20, 23,500 gallon gunite, irregularly shaped, hayward 1.5 super pump, hayward 4820 DE filter, northeast geo

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    Re: Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    FYI.

    Your PM will be in your outbox until the recipient opens it.
    11,000 gal. gunite w/midnight blue and white pearl PebbleTec
    Intelliflo 4x160 pump
    Intellichlor IC-20 SWG
    Pentair cartridge filter 420 sq. ft.
    Mastertemp 400K BTU heater
    Legend Platinum cleaner
    Pool School
    JasonLion's Pool Calculator
    TF Test Kits

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    Re: Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    Quote Originally Posted by ktdave
    FYI.

    Your PM will be in your outbox until the recipient opens it.
    Oh... I didn't realize. Thanks very much for the clarification.

    UKMatt
    37x20, 23,500 gallon gunite, irregularly shaped, hayward 1.5 super pump, hayward 4820 DE filter, northeast geo

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    Re: Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    Quote Originally Posted by stever
    I think the sound from a waterwall is more relaxing as it has more of a random pitch/gurgle as opposed to a spillover that is typically a more constant sound.

    That having been said, it's hard to relax in a waterfall -- I vote for the spa.
    Thanks - we were thinking of trying to maximize the noise from the spa when we spec the pool - maybe a spill over down some stacked stone rather than a planar spill over for example...

    Quote Originally Posted by stever
    (and 33 feet would be too short for laps.)
    Yep - the pool in our temporary accommodation is about 44 feet end to end and it's just enough for exercise I think.

    UKMatt
    37x20, 23,500 gallon gunite, irregularly shaped, hayward 1.5 super pump, hayward 4820 DE filter, northeast geo

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    Re: Need pool building advice (and lots of it!)

    Here's a 32' x 16' plan we are going with...though it doesn't have a sun deck.



    Trying to model this one:

    Intex 15' x 36" Easy Set Pool
    Intex 2500 gal/hr pump/filter
    Sunheater 2' x 20' Solar heater
    TF - 100 Test Kit

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