New Pool Build - TX

I'm thinking Glock needs a 39 year old sister...

Between you guys, Karen and Bob and cchopkins' pool I'm thinking we need a TFP Texas road trip. A pool crawl if you will. Kind of like a pub crawl but with vastly larger distances, a lot more water, but about the same amount of alcohol...:swim::cheers::party:

I am all for this idea! We may all need to wear our wet suits when we get to do this "pool crawl"!
 
Ha you guys are funny! Sounds great to me!

And Ryno, that was going to be my next PM to you to see if you like your decision not to seal. But I guess it isn't far enough along to know whether that was the right or wrong answer. Like you, I don't want the rocks to look wet all the time. Did you ask the MMG guys?

Well, here are some pictures of the shoot this morning.











Since we are leaving in the morning, they are going to pretty much take off next week. The only thing I think that will be done while we are gone is back filling the retaining wall and running those drainage lines. The waterfall contractor is coming back the next Monday (when we are back) where they will then texture and stain the formation.

We're blown away by how it looks. I can't imagine what it will be like once it is textured, stained and the lights installed.
 
It just keeps getting better and better. It sort of reminds me of a video/documentary on a million dollar pool, that had a waterfall, grotto, slide, cave, kitchen in the cave....if I can find the link I will send it to you but this is coming out amazing. Enjoy Mexico (maybe if you see one of my stoneworkers you can send them back?) - Karen
 
Thanks all! That's how I felt watching Ryno's build!

Karen, my wife and I both laughed out loud at that! If I see a guy with a stone chisel taking a nap, I'll wake him up and tell him to get back to Sanger to finish the job!

I'm sure I'll still sneak on TFP while over there to check on everyone elses build.
 
BTW I'm glad none of you noticed I'm a gatecrashing from Louisiana on the pool crawl. You know i get a pass, being its my idea and thats how you get the good crawfish. :D

I'm pretty sure that my exact words when I first saw those pics you posted of the waterfall all end up looking like ****. In a high pitched squeal. LOL. There was a lot of Holy. Wow. and Fantastic, in-between the stars though. That is some A grade work of ART. Its unbelieveably cool. And I know exactly what documentary you are talking about Karen. I was thinking the exact same thing. Its the one where you start to lose your mind over it sometime when they are going through the grotto behind the waterfall and theres's a full kitchen. I found the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0M9qQJEuw&feature=youtu.be&t=23s

Of course his water quality looks like he should probably visit TFP though. Just saying...

Hey enjoy Mexico, and if you run across Karen's stone guys, my tile guys will probably be there too, so send the lot back.
 

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Looking awesome! The project seems to be moving along at quite a nice speed. Be thinking about whether you want sealant applied to your rock structure after it's done. They gave me the option and I declined, which I hopefully don't regret. Sealant = wet and sort of more fake looking. I admit it looks better (to me) without sealant, and the PB told me it won't matter. Time will tell. I couldn't find any info from objective sources about it. There are a few areas where the color seems a little "bleached" on the lips of the spillovers. I guess if I made the wrong decision I will have to have a new color coat of the mortar/stucco applied and then seal after that. Have fun in Mexico!

And Ryno, that was going to be my next PM to you to see if you like your decision not to seal. But I guess it isn't far enough along to know whether that was the right or wrong answer. Like you, I don't want the rocks to look wet all the time. Did you ask the MMG guys?

The pool we're having built is made from similar (exact??) materials. The pool builder has already indicated that the materials will start to fade. After ~7 years, you'll need to re-stain the material to make it look "brand new'. Sealer might slow this effect down, but it won't completely eliminate the fading. I would think that the sealer would cause more problems when you do need to add the color back. It's just my $0.02....but I won't be sealing mine.
 
Back from Mexico! Had a great time, but glad to be back. Nothing quite like leaving Mexico when its 85, sunny and humid..and landing in Dallas at 57 and cloudy!

Not much to update, as the PB kind of took the week off as well for our build. Which I'm actually okay with, as I like to watch them to make sure they are doing things the way we like it. The only thing they did was backfill the raised area where the expanded pool deck is going to go. As I was afraid of, they forgot to wateproof the back of that retaining wall. I called the PB this morning and he said, "Oh you're right! They did forget to do that, I wasn't there that day that they backfilled it. We'll dig it out and make sure it gets done." I can't imagine a homeowner that just flat out doesn't pay attention, no telling what might go missed.

He doesn't know when the waterfall sub will be back out to texture the waterfall, maybe next week. He has us scheduled to pour the sub-base for the raised pool deck on Wednesday. We'll see what gets accomplished this week because we had at least 2 one-inch rains while we were gone, and one this morning. So the backyard is a full blown mudpit.

Hope to keep the momentum going and get this thing done!

OMG! If you could measure jealousy I would need 2 tape measures! That is so freaking cool! I think your slide is more of a scoot right now. Hopefully they smooth that out. lol

Hah thanks Glock! You are correct. I'm pretty sure if you tried to "slide" down it right now, you will grind off any sort of rear end you may have. They are to come back and texture it with another type of material. Then the slide will be coated with some sort of finish to make it very slick!

BTW I'm glad none of you noticed I'm a gatecrashing from Louisiana on the pool crawl. You know i get a pass, being its my idea and thats how you get the good crawfish. :D

I'm pretty sure that my exact words when I first saw those pics you posted of the waterfall all end up looking like ****. In a high pitched squeal. LOL. There was a lot of Holy. Wow. and Fantastic, in-between the stars though. That is some A grade work of ART. Its unbelieveably cool. And I know exactly what documentary you are talking about Karen. I was thinking the exact same thing. Its the one where you start to lose your mind over it sometime when they are going through the grotto behind the waterfall and theres's a full kitchen. I found the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0M9qQJEuw&feature=youtu.be&t=23s

Of course his water quality looks like he should probably visit TFP though. Just saying...

Hey enjoy Mexico, and if you run across Karen's stone guys, my tile guys will probably be there too, so send the lot back.

Of course you can join in the pool crawl!

And wow! Just now got to see that video. That is one incredible waterfall combo. A full kitchen and bathroom?! 8 3HP pumps?

The pool we're having built is made from similar (exact??) materials. The pool builder has already indicated that the materials will start to fade. After ~7 years, you'll need to re-stain the material to make it look "brand new'. Sealer might slow this effect down, but it won't completely eliminate the fading. I would think that the sealer would cause more problems when you do need to add the color back. It's just my $0.02....but I won't be sealing mine.

I bet you are right Jay. When I first saw your drawings, I thought you were going to have a natural waterfall with a plastic slide. If you are doing the whole thing out of gunite, then we are in the same boat. In fact, it might be the same exact company doing it with you being so close to Houston, Modern Method? Looking forward to watching your's come to life.
 
I bet you are right Jay. When I first saw your drawings, I thought you were going to have a natural waterfall with a plastic slide. If you are doing the whole thing out of gunite, then we are in the same boat. In fact, it might be the same exact company doing it with you being so close to Houston, Modern Method? Looking forward to watching your's come to life.

Yes, the whole structure is gunite. In fact, my coping and decking will be finished with the same material that they use on the boulder waterfall/slide. My pool won't have any tile waterline or defined coping...my "boulder" surface will roll over into the water. So whatever fading/aging I experience will happen everywhere. I hope it ages gracefully like Sean Connery, not horrible and disfigured like Mickey Rourke!
 
Yes, the whole structure is gunite. In fact, my coping and decking will be finished with the same material that they use on the boulder waterfall/slide. My pool won't have any tile waterline or defined coping...my "boulder" surface will roll over into the water. So whatever fading/aging I experience will happen everywhere. I hope it ages gracefully like Sean Connery, not horrible and disfigured like Mickey Rourke!

Right, underneath our waterfall/slide area there is no waterline tile or coping. The gunite faux boulders will encompass that area down below the water level. So you won't have any standard tile or coping on the entire pool, huh? That'll be cool!

Nothing too terribly exciting to report. They are still working on the waterfall. Man, I had no idea how labor intensive this thing is. As I mentioned, they had 6 workers that worked 5 solid 9 hour days to take it from a blank canvas to a fully gunited structure. Now, they are hand mixing a cement type of product (almost looks like the mud you texture walls with), and carrying it out in 5-gallon buckets and going over every square inch of the surface. They are shaping the boulders how they want them. My wife said yesterday they spent a long time with a large level making sure the water will fall exactly how they want to over each boulder. Incredible.

Here is a picture of the waterfall as of yesterday evening. They are hard at work this morning.



Here is the raised area they backfilled and got ready for the sub base (but forgot to waterproof behind the retaining wall first).

 
I'm seeking opinions on something.

The wife and I are currently on different sides of a fence (pun intended) about our back fence. You can look through our photos and notice that the sides of our yard are fenced off by a 6ft privacy fence. On the rear, the 6 ft tapers down to a 4ft that goes the length of the back yard.

Here is a picture I've posted before showing the fence height.

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Obviously right now it is taken down while construction is going on. The reason for the 4 ft is because when we built the house, we didn't have anyone behind us...just that open pasture and woods. So the the lower fence allowed us a greater view of the "country" while on our backporch while sectioning off our lot and keeping out the critters (except the annoying armadillos).

We've been going back and forth on whether or not we want them to just put back the 4ft fence or go back with a matching 6 foot fence.

I'm of the opinion to keep the 4 ft fence for the following reasons:
- I think we need to take advantage of having the rearmost lot of our neighborhood. We are gaining a neighbor behind us (you can see his new driveway leading back into those woods), but his house won't be visible to us.
- I feel like a 6 ft fence will make the backyard feel more "closed in" and like a city lot vs feeling more open and "country" like it feels right now.
- If the 4 ft fence remains, it will be below the top of the waterfall/slide structure the whole way. If we raised it to 6 ft, you will be able to see the fence directly behind the waterfall/structure as it comes out to the left of the slide. I feel like this would negatively affect the aesthetics of the overall waterfall feature. I.E. Having trees/natural looks directly behind it, vs having a brown privacy fence.
- Obvious one, cost. Won't cost us anything to have them reset and reinstall the back fence. Installing about 130 feet of new fence with new posts won't be cheap.

My wife is of the opinion to raise it to 6 ft for the following reasons:
- Even though our neighbors are building back in the woods, they will still be driving in and out. A 6ft fence would provide a little more privacy while down on the pool deck area (the backporch is already higher than the fence itself, so it won't provide any more privacy while on the back porch)
- Harder to climb for any neighborhood kids.
- Hides a little more of the back of the waterfall feature from the cul de sac (the current cul de sac is behind that elm tree). Currently it serves as a the perfect turn-a-round for curious neighbors and passerby's, to see our project. However, the new neighbor says he's going to cut off that cul de sac to just turn it into his driveway. Hopefully that will cut down on the curious onlookers.

I don't think either one of us are dead set in our ways. Right now the current plan is to have them reset the 4ft sections and go from there. If we still feel too exposed then we'll consider the 6ft.

Any thoughts?
 
I'm all for privacy but love open views. I can't see where an occasional car from one neighbor driving by would cause me to sacrifice more of a great view. One vote for the 4'.
 
4' for me as well. I like the view. IF your wife still wants it 6' AFTER a while you can do it.

4' costs nothing so it does not hurt to see how it "feels" for now.

BUT happy wife=happy life so........................

Kim
 
First - kudos for the presentation of the "sides" of the discussion. Add me to the 4' vote.
Second - love the steps and retaining wall stone work. Every photo this project looks more awesome. I will send you a PM with some questions on this.
Third - I think our other stone workers either left to visit their friend in Mexico or joined your crew. Haven't seen them for a week....

LOVE THIS PROJECT!!! -karen
 
My vote is the 4'....as long as it still meets any applicable code requirements. But keep in mind that once your pool is complete and after your landscaping is installed and given some time to mature, you will never "see" the 6' fence even if it is visible. I was worried about this at my previous house, and as soon as the project was done the fence "disappeared" and I never noticed it. And, most importantly, my wife never noticed it either.

Easiest decision process: Happy wife, happy life. So maybe I'm changing my vote to the 6' height.
 

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