Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

  1. Back To Top    #1

    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    4

    Cool Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Hi All,

    I just moved into my first home with a pool in Tucson, AZ. I brought my pool water to get checked at a pool store at the following are my stats:

    FAC = 8
    TAC= 8
    CH = 1000
    CYA = 200
    TA = 160
    PH = 7.1
    Base = 6
    Copper and Iron = 0
    Total Dissolved Solids = 4000
    Phosphates = 3000

    They recommend draining the pool since the CH is so high and most of the other tests came out high too.

    I know it's not good to drain a pool in the heat; however I'm thinking of draining it Friday night and filling it Friday night into Saturday since Friday will only be a high of 86 and Saturday there's only going to be a high of 77. Do you think those are dangerously high temps to do the draining and refilling?

    I have a 10,000 gallon pool made of plaster that is 20 years or younger (the house was built in 1997 so can't be older than that). Also, I have a solar heater. Not sure if it would help if I heated my pool using my solar heater before draining it or if it's better to turn the heater off a few days before for cooler water.

    All advice is welcome.

    Thanks

  2. Back To Top    #2
    Mod Squad jblizzle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    40,877

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Welcome to TFP, neighbor!

    First, I recommend you order one of the recommended test kits. Pool store testing is notoriously bad and we do not trust it.

    That CH and CYA are way too high, which is not uncommon in this area for people trusting a pool store, like the previous owners likely did.

    I agree you should replace a lot of water, at least 75%. And that I would do like you are thinking, start draining in the late afternoon evening and then start refilling right away. I just did this a month ago.

    You can rent a submersible pump from home depot (get it less than 4 hours before they close and you can keep it overnight for the 4 hour rate). Based on what I saw for my pool, it will take you about 5 hours to completely drain your pool. Then start filling with multiple hoses.

    Again, step 1 is ordering a test kit and don't start trusting the pool store

    Oh, there is no reason to heat water you are just going to dump.
    Jason, TFP Moderator
    18k IG pebblesheen pool, Hayward ProLogic P4 w/ T-15 SWG, Pentair 1HP 2-speed Superflo, Hayward 6020 DE filter
    500 sqft Heliocol solar panels, ThePoolCleaner, TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    Pool School + Test Kit + PoolMath = A TROUBLE FREE POOL
    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  3. Back To Top    #3

    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    4

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Hi Jbizzle,

    I will absolutely use a pool kit and this site going forward, thanks

    I have a few more questions... Not sure if these should be on a separate forum.

    1) What chemicals do you think I should buy upfront once my pool is refilled with fresh water? I'm thinking it might be better to by them for less online than at the pool store.

    2) I was thinking of cleaning my pool while it's draining. Do you recommend a good product to clean the pool with while it's draining?

    3) My pool vacuum doesn't seem to be moving around the pool all the time. Some days it does move and others it does not. It's also not doing a good job of picking up the debris since there's almost always nothing in my drain basket and I can always find dirt on the bottom of the pool, especially in the shallow end. I have a home warranty that covers pool equipment so I called them to come check it out. Do you think it's an issue with the vacuum or an issue with my filter? The vacuum is a knock off creepy crawlie made by Stanley and it's yellow and black. I'm pretty sure it's a very cheap model.

    4) The brush to clean the pool manually broke when I was cleaning the walls of the pool. Is there a brush you recommend?

    Thanks for your time and help. Makes me feel so much better that you think it's ok for me to drain my pool this weekend!





    Thanks!

  4. Back To Top    #4
    Mod Squad jblizzle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    40,877

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    1. We recommend only buying what you know you need and not really stockpiling How do you plan to chlorinate your pool? We know that you will need to add stabilizer (CYA), you can get 4 pound containers are Walmart. And we know you will need to add chlorine. If you are going to go liquid (which is recommended), then Ekonomy Pool has the best prices in bulk refillable containers. Beyond that, you will not know if you need anything until you test after the refill.

    2. I just used my pressure washer on my pool surface while draining. With 20 year old plaster, though, you might need to be careful. There really is nothing that you should need to use to "clean" the pool. You could scrub with a mild bleach solution, but seems like a lot of work

    3. Hard to say, could be a LOT of things ... dirty filter, clogged pump impeller, problem with the cleaner, valves in the wrong position, etc ... Add some details about your pool in your signature and add some pictures. Problem with home warranties is that you have to pay every time they come out and generally they do a very sub-par fix.

    4. Wall whale ... hands down. Don't get the XL (too big). I think tftestkit.net sells them ... add it when you order your test kit ... hint hint hint. Also, while i am spending your money get the SpeedStir ... and may as well add one of their nice glycerin filled pressure gauges while you are at it ...

    - - - Updated - - -

    Not to be too presumptuous, but if you think TFP is going to be able to help you save money, please become a supporter ... it is tax deductible and you also get a discount on the TF-100 test kit which you need
    Jason, TFP Moderator
    18k IG pebblesheen pool, Hayward ProLogic P4 w/ T-15 SWG, Pentair 1HP 2-speed Superflo, Hayward 6020 DE filter
    500 sqft Heliocol solar panels, ThePoolCleaner, TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    Pool School + Test Kit + PoolMath = A TROUBLE FREE POOL
    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  5. Back To Top    #5

    TFP Guide
    triptyx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    1,476

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Since I'm in the same town and went through the same thing last year, I'll give you a quick welcome!

    I'll also say, you should be ok draining/filling with our upcoming weekend weather pattern. Make sure, with our dry climate, you use a hose to spray the walls and keep them moist while draining/filling. Also, having a lawn sprinkler to set in the shallow end to keep the floor moist is a good idea as well.

    I drained 100% last April during a similar weather "break" - use a submersible pump (you can rent one from a big box hardware store if you like) to get it drained fast, then as many hoses as you can run into the pool (I had one from the back spigot, one from the front spigot, and my autofill all running simultanously) to fill it up fast.
    8,500gal plaster in-ground with attached spa, two floor drains, one skimmer. Chlorine, City Water.
    Pentair WhisperFlo 1hp Pump, MagnaTek Midcentury EPlus motor, Pentair CleanNClear 200SF Cartridge filter, Purex Triton MiniMax 250 Gas Heater, Pentair SunLite, AutoFill.
    Kreepy Krauly Cruiser, TF-100 with SpeedStir. :D

  6. Back To Top    #6
    Mod Squad jblizzle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    40,877

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    I too was running 3 hoses .... then I tried to take a shower on the far side of the house ... remember the Seinfeld low-flow shower head episode

    - - - Updated - - -

    We need to get JoyfulNoise to chime in too ... get all the locals responding
    Jason, TFP Moderator
    18k IG pebblesheen pool, Hayward ProLogic P4 w/ T-15 SWG, Pentair 1HP 2-speed Superflo, Hayward 6020 DE filter
    500 sqft Heliocol solar panels, ThePoolCleaner, TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    Pool School + Test Kit + PoolMath = A TROUBLE FREE POOL
    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  7. Back To Top    #7

    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    4

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Thank you! I will post pictures soon

  8. Back To Top    #8

    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Location
    Arlington, Texas
    Posts
    291

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Make sure to ask your neighbor if you can borrow their hose. Just don't unhook it from their house when they say yes (=
    310 gallon Tiger River Sumatran Spa, covered, standalone, fiberglass, Bleach
    11,000 gallon in-ground plaster pool, Hayward SmartFilter 550 (cartridge), CompuPool(Hayward) T-15 SWG, Hayward Super II pump
    Taylor Test Kit K-2006C, K-1766, SampleSizer, SpeedStir, Polaris P825

  9. Back To Top    #9
    clambert1273's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Cerritos, CA
    Posts
    577

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Good luck!!! A test kit will be worth its weight in gold I had my landlord fire the pool guy one month after I moved in.... pool is taken care of more now with me than it ever was with him


    Christina
    ~14,000gal 14x30 IG vinyl, Hayward DE4820 filter (everything else is too old to read lol), TF100 Test Kit, TFPC method
    POOL SCHOOL, ABC'S of WATER CHEMISTRY, POOL MATH, SUPPORT TFP!!, TEST KIT!

  10. Back To Top    #10

    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    500

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    I'm no expert, but I just experienced what you're doing and did a drain of the pool I just inherited with my home last weekend. It was high in CyA and I wanted to start over fresh. I live in Phoenix, where it was mid 90s and I had same concerns about temps. What I did was start my pump at 4:30 pm on Friday and it was drained by 10:30pm that night. I borrowed the subpump I used, but it used a backwash hose instead of a garden hose so it did pump out water a lot faster.

    I didn't waste time cleaning it or use a shop vac to get the few extra gallons of water that the subpump wouldn't get out. Instead I just hosed the sides down once it was low enough. I then immediately filled up overnight using my hose and the pools automatic pool float/filler. In morning around 5am it was almost half full. I asked neighbor to borrow his hoses and was able to put two more hoses in pool (one from front yard and one from laundry room. A total of 3 hoses plus my auto filler). The pool was full by noon the next day. It was 90s so I kept hosing down sides on Saturday morning to make sure it didn't get too hot. After testing ph and alk, (no need to test FC or CyA since they are zero from refill), I added my needed chemicals Saturday and Sunday (stabilizer, muriatic acid and chlorine). With it reaching nearly 100 on Sunday, I was swimming by Sunday afternoon.

    My only issue in process was that I was dumb and kept the pool light on while draining since it was at night. Once water was below light level it started to pop and smoke. I turned it off immediately but it was too late and discovered it was blown out once filled.
    16,000 gallon in-ground pebble tec pool. Hayward SP3400VSP Eco-Star Pump, Pentair Triton 2 TR-100 sand filter, A&A 5-port in-floor pool cleaner, Pentair Intellibrite 5g color changing pool light, Polaris 965iQ Robotic Pool Cleaner, OG Pool Math Subscriber and most importantly a Taylor K-2006C test kit.
    Test Kits Compared
    | SLAM | Chlorine / CYA Chart |

  11. Back To Top    #11
    Mod Squad pooldv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    DFW, TX
    Posts
    24,974

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!



    Yes, pool lights are definitely designed to be submerged when on for cooling purposes.
    TFP Moderator
    If TFP helped you or saved you money - Become a TFP Supporter! <--Click here
    2012 build and pics, 20k gal gunite, black onyx pebblesheen, OK flagstone, IntellifoVS, cart filter w/Pleatco, IC40 SWG, Solartouch, 5 12'x4' solar panels, HP50HA heat pump, 8mil solar cover, borates, TF-100 test kit, SONOS, Doheny's Discovery Robot, hot tub on bleach

  12. Back To Top    #12

    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    500

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by pooldv View Post


    Yes, pool lights are definitely designed to be submerged when on for cooling purposes.
    yep, I learned the hard way. Now I have no light and need to figure out how to get it fixed. Probably use it as an opportunity to upgrade the light to an led that changes colors
    16,000 gallon in-ground pebble tec pool. Hayward SP3400VSP Eco-Star Pump, Pentair Triton 2 TR-100 sand filter, A&A 5-port in-floor pool cleaner, Pentair Intellibrite 5g color changing pool light, Polaris 965iQ Robotic Pool Cleaner, OG Pool Math Subscriber and most importantly a Taylor K-2006C test kit.
    Test Kits Compared
    | SLAM | Chlorine / CYA Chart |

  13. Back To Top    #13

    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    500

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Also, one more tip I just thought of. If you're not 100% sure the size of your pool, use it as an opportunity to get a better estimate at the size of your pool. One method is to first put your hoses in a 5 gallon bucket and determine how fast it takes to fill the bucket. You can then use that number to calculate how many gallons your pool is based upon how long it takes it to fill your pool.

    Reversely, if you know for sure how many gallons your pool is then you can use the method to determine how long it will take you to fill pool.

    For me, I learned my pool is about 3,000 less gallons than what I had estimated it was. It makes adding chemicals using the pool calculator a lot more accurate.
    16,000 gallon in-ground pebble tec pool. Hayward SP3400VSP Eco-Star Pump, Pentair Triton 2 TR-100 sand filter, A&A 5-port in-floor pool cleaner, Pentair Intellibrite 5g color changing pool light, Polaris 965iQ Robotic Pool Cleaner, OG Pool Math Subscriber and most importantly a Taylor K-2006C test kit.
    Test Kits Compared
    | SLAM | Chlorine / CYA Chart |

  14. Back To Top    #14

    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    4

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    Yikes . I'm sorry about your lights but you are right, now you can get some nicer ones The home warranty people sent the pool person out to check why my vacuum wasn't working properly and he found that my Vac Mate was broken and so it wasn't sucking the water as strong as it should be. I'm hoping that it will clear up the issue (fingers crossed) and that I don't need to buy a new vacuum. @spinPHD Where did you buy your stabilizer, muratic acid, and chlorine from? Did you buy the liquid chlorine? I'm sure there's another blog on here about how to start administering the chemicals in a newly filled pool. I should look through those soon so I'm ready for this weekend! Owning a pool is fun, lots to learn! Thanks for all the responses

  15. Back To Top    #15

    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    500

    Re: Just Moved in to House with Pool and need to drain pool. HELP!

    I got my muriatic acid from Leslie Pools, because I found that is the one thing the pool store sells at competitive price. Around $11 for 2 gallons of 31%. I got my stabilizer from Ace Hardware for around $17. I think I saw it cheaper at Lowes, but got it at Ace out of convenience since the store is closer to my house. Bleach I got at Safeway and Target when I was doing my normal shopping. I got their generic house brands and both places had them for $2.99 a gallon for 8% bleach.
    16,000 gallon in-ground pebble tec pool. Hayward SP3400VSP Eco-Star Pump, Pentair Triton 2 TR-100 sand filter, A&A 5-port in-floor pool cleaner, Pentair Intellibrite 5g color changing pool light, Polaris 965iQ Robotic Pool Cleaner, OG Pool Math Subscriber and most importantly a Taylor K-2006C test kit.
    Test Kits Compared
    | SLAM | Chlorine / CYA Chart |

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •