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    New build in central Texas

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    This is my second pool. The first was a pure rectangle with automatic cover. We loved the pool, but moved and are now trying something new.

    The new one is very free form. We also added an 8' spa. There is a sun shelf with 3 savi lighted bubblers. A bench runs around the entire pool. There is a table in the pool. At one end, there is a plan to build an arbor with a rain curtain. There is a plan for 2 scupper bowls with a savi lighted bubbler in each one.

    At least that is plan.





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    The plumbing is planned to be like this.



    I could use advice on the valving. I am using automatic valve motors, but I plan to add a potentiometer to each one so I can control how far I open them. That way I can control the effect of each accessory.


    The pumps will be below water level! Using 3" suctions with flush mounted Superflow 360 drains. Returns will be dual 2".


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    Pool has been excavated and formed.



    As you can see, the house is being constructed as well. The patio has a 40' beam so that the view of the pool is not obstructed.


    The excavator over dug the pool.... more to come on that.


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    I plan to have 3 savi lighted bubblers at the edge of the sun shelf.

    The water level was planned to be 3" deep. The idea was the bubblers would be more dramatic if they had less resistance to blow through.

    The excavator over dug by about 9 inches and the shelf is huge.

    Should I go deeper or eat the cost of gunnite?

    Also, it looks like he dug the pool 2' longer and 2' wider. Oh well..... at least I get more pool.



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    Re: New build in central Texas

    I LOVE the design! Something for everyone! I like how the sun shelf does not take up any of the pool area. That table is going to be great!

    Where are your returns going to be? That will be a very important thing to think about especially for the shelf and table area.

    Can't wait to hear about the over dig ??????????

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    Just so everyone knows, the ground is solid limestone. It took 7 days of rock ram. The pool deck will be elevated some so that there is no step (minor drop for water control) coming out of the house. The patio will range from 12" to 20" above bedrock (ground surface). I plan to do a rock salt finish that is scored into 24" x 24" diamond pattern with a very light tan stain and flat seal. No coping planned right now. There is a channel drain that runs around the pool.



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    Re: New build in central Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramdough View Post
    I plan to have 3 savi lighted bubblers at the edge of the sun shelf.

    The water level was planned to be 3" deep. The idea was the bubblers would be more dramatic if they had less resistance to blow through.

    The excavator over dug by about 9 inches and the shelf is huge.

    Should I go deeper or eat the cost of gunnite?

    Also, it looks like he dug the pool 2' longer and 2' wider. Oh well..... at least I get more pool.


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    Are you saying your want your shelf to be only 3" deep? That is really nothing as far as water on the shelf. Let me find the thread I am thinking about to show you their bubblers at work on their shelf that is deeper. You will see the shelf could have been even deeper and the bubblers would still be dramatic.

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    The shelf was set to be 3" of water? If they dug deeper I think they did you a big favor. We have a 6" deep (water level) shelf and wish it was 9". 3" is REALLY shallow. How did you plan to use it? We have 3 no-name bubblers in 6" of water and they perform well. And we don't have a feature pump. We also split the flow between the pool and spa. Everyone's plumbing is different, but everyone here suggests that bubblers can work in up to 12" of water, especially with a feature pump (which I highly recommend).

    Is this an owner build? If not, you shouldn't be paying extra for gunite if they overdug.


    Brian - UNDER CONSTRUCTION: 17K gal SW Gunite IG. 17'x23'(w/shelf)x34'. 650sf. 114' perim. 3.5'-5' depth sports pool. 7'x11' sun shelf, 6'x8' spa. Intelliflow VSP, IC60 SWCG, CC420 filter, 4 LEDs (2 Globrite and 2 Intellibrite). Hayward 140K BTU heat pump. Pentair EasyTouch 8 automation. Ivory travertine deck. 8"X16" travertine coping. NPT lightwaves Aquamarine spa tile and marker tiles. Undecided on plaster/pebble finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimkats View Post
    I LOVE the design! Something for everyone! I like how the sun shelf does not take up any of the pool area. That table is going to be great!

    Where are your returns going to be? That will be a very important thing to think about especially for the shelf and table area.

    Can't wait to hear about the over dig ??????????

    Kim
    Kim,

    I am kind of looking at doing a hybrid between a drainless and drain pool.

    First off, I have tons of valves so if my experiment fails, I can change it later.

    For the returns, I plan to use slit returns. For the sun shelf I plan 1 or 2 that are aimed sideways in a way to create a current to blow debris into the deeper end. I need to draw this up so I can get feedback here.

    For the table area, I need to make sure my robot does not find its way around the table legs, so I plan to limit the cord length from the opposite side. Then run an upper slut return above the bench and one below the bench to try to crest a current that pushes dirt into the center of the pool.

    The rest of the returns were going to be aiming down the walls like a drainless pool setup.

    I would definitely like feedback on this, but may need to provide a diagram.



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    Re: New build in central Texas

    I just realized Kim's post before mine was of my build. Exactly!


    Brian - UNDER CONSTRUCTION: 17K gal SW Gunite IG. 17'x23'(w/shelf)x34'. 650sf. 114' perim. 3.5'-5' depth sports pool. 7'x11' sun shelf, 6'x8' spa. Intelliflow VSP, IC60 SWCG, CC420 filter, 4 LEDs (2 Globrite and 2 Intellibrite). Hayward 140K BTU heat pump. Pentair EasyTouch 8 automation. Ivory travertine deck. 8"X16" travertine coping. NPT lightwaves Aquamarine spa tile and marker tiles. Undecided on plaster/pebble finish.

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    Re: New build in central Texas

    Nice pool!

    Thanks everyone for the fast feedback.

    I knew it was a good idea to get feedback. Ok, make the shelf deeper for sure.

    6" ????? What does everyone vote here?

    The 2 pumps are going to be 3hp Pentair VS pumps.

    The controller will be a Linux machine with a bunch of arduinos and a web interface. So, unlimited accessories.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramdough View Post
    Nice pool!

    Thanks everyone for the fast feedback.

    I knew it was a good idea to get feedback. Ok, make the shelf deeper for sure.

    6" ????? What does everyone vote here?

    The 2 pumps are going to be 3hp Pentair VS pumps.

    The controller will be a Linux machine with a bunch of arduinos and a web interface. So, unlimited accessories.


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    How do you want to use the shelf? If laying and submerging yourself in it, go 9" or deeper. If just putting chairs in it to get your feet wet or a ledge lounger to just get your bottom wet, 6-9" is good.

    One thing you will need to consider beyond 6" is an entry step into the shelf otherwise it will be a steep step down from deck.


    Brian - UNDER CONSTRUCTION: 17K gal SW Gunite IG. 17'x23'(w/shelf)x34'. 650sf. 114' perim. 3.5'-5' depth sports pool. 7'x11' sun shelf, 6'x8' spa. Intelliflow VSP, IC60 SWCG, CC420 filter, 4 LEDs (2 Globrite and 2 Intellibrite). Hayward 140K BTU heat pump. Pentair EasyTouch 8 automation. Ivory travertine deck. 8"X16" travertine coping. NPT lightwaves Aquamarine spa tile and marker tiles. Undecided on plaster/pebble finish.

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    Re: New build in central Texas

    Leaning toward 6" then. There is plenty of benches around the pool to sit deeper.



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    AND make sure it is water depth! Not 6" from shelf to bottom or even top of coping. The water should be at the middle of the skimmer face.

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    Re: New build in central Texas

    The one comment I can make is in your plumbing schematic you show a "chlorinator" after the heater. What type of chlorinator?
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    Re: New build in central Texas

    Planning on salt right now. I did pucks last time and did not like it.

    If I decide against salt, I am not sure what I would pick.



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    Re: New build in central Texas

    For plumbing, I am tempted to run my return loop in my benches. They run around the pool, so there should be room.

    Any concerns there?



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    For lights, I am looking at nicheless Savi or Jandy lights (same company but supposedly they are different).

    Any opinions here?


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    Re: New build in central Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramdough View Post
    Planning on salt right now. I did pucks last time and did not like it.

    If I decide against salt, I am not sure what I would pick.


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    Great! We discourage folks from using pucks in most areas of the country. A SWCG is a great option.
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    Re: New build in central Texas

    If you decide against salt you can just use liquid chlorine. You can pour from jugs (what I do) or you can add a liquidator. There are many threads about it. The search box up in the upper right hand corner will keep you inside TFP.

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