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    colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Im struggling to understand the difference. It appears that quartzscapes is a small upgrade over colorscapes. Colorscapes is a ceramic coated quartz aggregate product and Quarttscapes doesnt have the ceramic coating...

    Whats the difference? Is one stronger, more polymers, more aggregate?

    Can anyone explain the difference between these two products that are from the same company?

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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Colorscapes uses a much finer aggregate (likely the remnants from Quartzscapes) to give the color variations. I assume the ceramic coating is for color uniformity.

    Quartzscapes uses larger quartz fragments which will yield a stronger surface and one that has the potential to last longer.

    Either surface should provide a good lifespan but far more critical than the material itself is the water chemistry it is exposed to long-term.
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Quote Originally Posted by bdavis466 View Post
    Colorscapes uses a much finer aggregate (likely the remnants from Quartzscapes) to give the color variations. I assume the ceramic coating is for color uniformity.

    Quartzscapes uses larger quartz fragments which will yield a stronger surface and one that has the potential to last longer.

    Either surface should provide a good lifespan but far more critical than the material itself is the water chemistry it is exposed to long-term.
    My PB said the same thing...that with proper water chemistry, Colorscapes can last 20 years or more.


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    Question Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    I asked my PB about upgrading from plaster to Quartzscape, but he was trying to discourage me from that, and get me to upgrade to Stonescape because it is only a few hundred dollars difference, and last longer. However, I am not a big fan of the aggregate finish. And after further research I came across Colorscape which is similar to Quartzscape, but appears to be smoother. And if Colorscape still provides a long-term finish (with correct water chemistry) for me that would be the right choice. So now I am trying to figure out the cost difference between all 3 of these finishes. $5k for Stonescape, a few hundred less for Quartzscape, so what would the cost of Colorscape be? If anyone in the know happens to know what the price ratio difference should be, please chime in. Thank you.
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    The cost difference is pretty minimal between them. Plain plaster is probably around $3000 for your size pool.

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    5K for StoneScapes is a really good price
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Quote Originally Posted by bdavis466 View Post
    The cost difference is pretty minimal between them. Plain plaster is probably around $3000 for your size pool.

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    5K for StoneScapes is a really good price
    Thanks Brian....So if the price difference is so minimum, is Stonescape the way to go if I am looking for a much smoother finish?
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    I have StoneScapes and it is far from smooth. I wish I knew about AquaBright at the time but that wasn't until a couple years later.

    The trouble you are going to have with quartz and plaster is it's going to be hard to find an applicator willing to do darker colors. I don't even entertain dark plaster finishes anymore because they always end up looking horrible.
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Quote Originally Posted by bdavis466 View Post
    I have StoneScapes and it is far from smooth. I wish I knew about AquaBright at the time but that wasn't until a couple years later.

    The trouble you are going to have with quartz and plaster is it's going to be hard to find an applicator willing to do darker colors. I don't even entertain dark plaster finishes anymore because they always end up looking horrible.
    If I went with a quartz finish, I would only consider a lighter color based on what I've read here. If I could afford AquaBright, that would be my first choice. My PB told me quartz finishes only last 8-10 years versus Stonescape which lasts 20-25 years (of course that is with good water balance in both cases.) Is that true?
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    No. A pool finish doesn't just fail one day.

    I've seen plaster finishes 30 years old and have replaced some that were less than 2 years old. I don't buy into these lifespan claims because they are basically meaningless. A pebble finish will outlast a plaster finish so long as it doesn't crack or delaminate but at the end of the day all of them are still plaster.

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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Brian- why did the finish fail at 2 years? What was the chemistry issue? Was it out of control pH? High FC? What specifically causes the failure?
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    It didn't fail, it was rough and discolored. Poor workmanship and possibly poor materials as well. There was nothing wrong with it other than it being ugly. The pool builder and the plasterer said the warranty doesn't cover color variations and fading; comforting words from a large builder after paying for an "upgrade".
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdavis466 View Post
    The cost difference is pretty minimal between them. Plain plaster is probably around $3000 for your size pool.

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    5K for StoneScapes is a really good price
    That is my PB's upgrade price, plaster was built into my pool cost. He wants to charge me an additional $5k for Stonescape. And that is what I'm trying to understand. If my existing plaster cost is $3k, how much more should Stonescape, Quartzscape or Colorscape cost? I'm confused why Quartz would not be much cheaper than Stonescape (pebble), since there is no aggregate exposure step. And I would assume the material cost for Quartz would be cheaper than pebble.
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    I didn't realize that was an upgrade price on top of plaster... So you're looking at 8 K for quartz?

    Pretty sure there's somebody that can get AquaBright for not much more...............
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Hopefully this will answer your question. I'm in the process of a new pool build, 18X40. White plaster is included with the bid. To upgrade to the Stone Scapes from plain white plaster was a total of $5220.00. We couldn't settle on the Stone Scapes color, so we found a Radiant Fusion which is a micro pebble with glass beads. That cost an addition $756 over the Stone Scapes.
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    If I was bidding on your pool....

    128 perimeter feet

    Plaster -$3000
    Quartz- $3600
    Mini pebble - $5500

    I won't got to LA for any of those but I would for AquaBright.
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sbalberti View Post
    Hopefully this will answer your question. I'm in the process of a new pool build, 18X40. White plaster is included with the bid. To upgrade to the Stone Scapes from plain white plaster was a total of $5220.00. We couldn't settle on the Stone Scapes color, so we found a Radiant Fusion which is a micro pebble with glass beads. That cost an addition $756 over the Stone Scapes.

    Radiant fusion in Topaz is my plaster. It's very nice if done well. Martinkennedy also has Radiant Fusion plaster. His build is worth checking out.
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Do you have any pics or links? Right now we really like Regal Blue, I'm not sure if Topaz is still available?

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    "Radiant fusion in Topaz is my plaster. It's very nice if done well. Martinkennedy also has Radiant Fusion plaster. His build is worth checking out."



    Do you have any pics or links? Right now we really like Regal Blue, I'm not sure if Topaz is still available?
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Quote Originally Posted by bdavis466 View Post
    I didn't realize that was an upgrade price on top of plaster... So you're looking at 8 K for quartz?

    Pretty sure there's somebody that can get AquaBright for not much more...............
    That was exactly my thought too. But perhaps I misunderstood my PB. I am going to bring it up with him again. Thanks for putting it in perspective for me.
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Here you go!

    Hello from an excited Newbie in Bixby Oklahoma!! - Page 81

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    Martinkennedy has the regal blue. Seriously, check out his build! Awesome pool!
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    Re: colorscapes vs quartzscapes?

    Quote Originally Posted by bdavis466 View Post
    If I was bidding on your pool....

    128 perimeter feet

    Plaster -$3000
    Quartz- $3600
    Mini pebble - $5500

    I won't got to LA for any of those but I would for AquaBright.
    Are you saying you would go to LA to install Aquabright in a pool???? Wow! If I lived in LA, I'd take that offer in a heartbeat! Just knowing you were the installer would seal the deal.
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