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I get a natural whirlpool in my skimmer I mean like it is so defined even with the pool over full that you would expect to see the flying dutchman and the black pearl engaging in a battle to the bottom. btw I get air because of this issue and have not found a solution for it. ARI S 050 VAC...

I must be lucky cause Im fighting the whirlpools sucking air in without a skim around. I cant imagine how much air would be sucked in if I had one of those. even with an over full pool from rain I still get whirlpools in the skimmer. thankfully the automatic air bleeder is working to keep air...

oddly today I ran the pump for 8 hours straight while I was at work. when I got home the pump was still primed. I started it to check the air in the filter, was minimal as in just a couple seconds of purging. I am stumped. have had no real rain to speak of I havent done anything different...

Skimmer dye test is using a syringe to put dye at seams etc. In a calm skimmer if theres a crack the dye will seep out of it. I have been wondering if the pump is too big since changing the filter out to a higher flow unit. Theres 3 jets in the pool for return and they seriously churn the...

No valves. But like i said only 1.25inch return lines with 1.5inch suction. That should create some. Filter is up to about 10psi now with vacuuming etc. Not seeing enough change on the amount of air though. Still have to do skimmer dye test.

I have no weir gate. So nothing is slowing the water at the skimmer. Pool level is high due to rain. Still not losing any water.

ok new info on this issue. after 4 days of pump being off, strainer is full of water did not lose prime. turned it on and filter had zero air in it as when I shut it off last. All air in strainer cleared and it took a good 2 minutes before the small air bubbles started in again. what on earth...

This pic quota stuff stops me from posting pics. Basically i dug down to what should have been the 90 from the skimmer to the pump riser, it was a Tee with a iron plug screwed into a threaded adapter. I filled the jole with water to cover it but that didnt change the air either so i ruled out...

Ok no change at all on amount of air entering strainer basket doing the bucket dumps

Will try this today. Cause um all out of ideas unless its a motor shaft seal leak that wouldnt explain the air at pressure but maybe when the pressure drops from purging. I dont know just brainstorming. I have read where air can get in that way at Inyo Pools

I appreciate all of this help. I talked with a pool tech today and he is just as stumped. As i have said i did not have this issue before changing filters. Yet i have checked everything too many times to count. The Pentair filter is rated at almost 3 times the flow rate of the sta rite s8500m...

Everything is full of water even the strainer stays full of water. Its drawing air from somewhere i cannot figure out. It will fill the filter up with air to the point air starts coming out of the jets. Yet it will still have a full strainer basket. The water level in skimmer is an inch from the...

I took some flashlight pics of the skimmer and the vortexs - - - Updated - - - Notice the thousands of tiny air bubbles on the skimmer basket.

There are no valves at all. No multiport as uts a cartridge filter system with no waste line. Have you priced the cartridges for a sta rite s8m500.... that and they are beyond a nightmare to clean. The Pentair RP 200 is simple to clean and the cartridges are about $70 versus $700+ fit the s8m500...

Cardboard test yielded no change. Oddly i just noticed that when i purge the filter and the pressure drops the air volume into the strainer basket increases greatly. You would think less pressure would yield more flow. And less out going pressure shouldnt increase the suction effect on a leak.

Will try the cardboard test. I got so much suction im pretty positive its gonna bottom it out in the skimmer basket in a blink. They get defined enoigh ti watch ants, leaf debris etc. Suck from the top of the water down into the basket. Without rhe basket the debris is gone to the pump fast.

Did some digging today, literally. I found out i have schedule 80 suction lines from the skimmer. Still have not been able to pin point my air entering the system but that almost negates an underground issue. Still possible just even more unlikely then regular schedule 40. Gonna do the dye test...

heck I cant read heads or tails of a coin from 16ft without water between it and me lol. I can count the slots in the safety cover on the drain easily and tell you theres 1/4" stains down there. for some reason the pic is blurring some from when its taken and when its uploaded. I have a single...

its the angle of the lighting standing at the pool its crystal clear . - - - Updated - - - Its a 9.5ft deep end

Heres a vortex pic - - - Updated - - - Pool to pump pad pic - - - Updated - - - Pool clarity

Pool is crystal clear has been since we bought the house a year and a half ago. - - - Updated - - - You can see the suction in a still photo.... - - - Updated - - - Heres a vortex pic

theres not 1 single vortex it will form and break up many small vortexes it will do this over and over. we had a bloom of flying ants yesterday and it will suck them off the top of the water in those vortexes straight in the skimmer pipe, and thatswith 2 inches too much water over the top of the...

Forgot to say. Distance from pump to pool is about 35ft. there are no valves to main drain/skimmer only a single pipe. I have one of those easy skimmer baskets with the handle and trigger to release the bottom(for wife). I had an idea that this thing could, with the suction I have allow air to...

Have checked everything above ground. Is there such a thing as too much suction? Pool is currently over the entrance to skimmer but not cap stone. I still see vortices in skimmer. Lake Jackson is in Texas south of houston.

Hi all just wanted say thank you for having such a wonderful information filled forum and site. William here own a 18,00 gallon inground plaster pool. Hayward 1.5hp maxflo xl pump. Pentair Clean and Clear 200 RP filter. Not new to pool maintenance but new to pool ownership. 1976 made pool by...