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we are beyond my safety zone. Time for the pro's. Thank you guys, I appreciate the time you have put in with these responses. I will update with what I find out. Hopefully we all learn something.

same one that comes from the power box. I eliminated the timer.

Yes and yes. I tried hooking up just the motor with two of the three. No impeller and whatnot. flip the switch...Nothing. I tested black to ground = 120 I tested Red to ground = 120 I put the multimeter across both black and red and got 240. Any ideas? I mean thats, three motors, I...

Well, I am at my wits end. I just threw my tools in the garage and said "F-it, fill in the **** pool". Three weeks ago our 1hp hayward superpump just up and quit. No humming when switched on. Flip the switch...Nothing. I figure it is no big deal, winter is almost here, its soon to closing...

alright, I give up. That is just beautiful. Here I am trying to patch work my 1960's pool to keep it going another year and these beautiful pools are out there. Which hip hop video was this pool featured in?

An experienced team with a diamond saw could do this in a couple of days. Me futzing around took about 50 hours. Maybe 20 hours of actual work and 30 hours of scratching my head.

My concrete work stinks, I guess that will be a job for next year, this summer, I am going to enjoy the fact that my pool is working. More pictures. I hope it stays this color all summer I can't believe it looked like this a few weeks ago. Thanks for all your help folks. I will be...

This is after two coats of rust paint and two coats of rubber paint. just a thought, The idea of having a laundry on an upper floor is terrifying when you realize that this is what happens when you leave a hose on for two and a half days.

Pictures, yes sir. Seems like the only ones enjoying the pool now are the ducks. We are having our 13 year cicadas now, going out side is treacherous. So lets see, st. louis has had floods, tornados, an earthquake and cicadas. This is the end right? I will get some more pics up...

Well, I will post some much prettier pictures tomorrow, tonight I am zonked. I hand mixed and poured 18 80 pound bags of concrete. That is 1440 pounds. I don't advise that. Tonight, I will have a margarita, watch the Cards beat the pants of the reds and eat some of last nights 10 hour...

All the grinding and rust-oleum did allot to improve the appearance of the pool, however, the rust has already started to come through the paint. Oh well.

Well all that hard work paid off stlpoolguy, great looking pool.

I now understand why every pool company hasn't returned my phone calls. They will come out and see the pool, and then say, "oops, got someplace to be, sorry." Waste, I need your advice. What is best practices for painting this thing? Right now I am going to sand the rust and paint...

Hey there stlpoolguy. -It was a ton of work. A ton. I must have moved 4 tons of earth and rock. -The steel walls are nothing. I hooked up a $20 bimetal 3" hole saw thing to my hilti hammer drill and almost tore my arm off 3 times. About 3 minutes of total work for both holes. -The...

I have learned a few things. 1. this is back breaking work. The next time someone comes to help you with your pool, appreciate it. 2. Were I a pool company owner I wouldn't help me. It isn't worth it. This pool is F!@#ed. Sending out laborers that could potentially destroy this pool with...

Until I see bodies in bikini's I will only see that as a computer rendering. YOU CAN'T FOOL ME.

Just beautiful, design, planning, everything. I have posted so many pictures of my ugly old pool, It makes me amazed to see how awesome it could be. Enjoy.

Thanks Ted. I am certainly glad to have your advice. So a couple questions for you. 1. Should I go ahead and dig another return in the shallow end? 2. I am thinking it will improve my circulation and water quality, will I notice that big a difference? 3. One of the builders I talked with...

I had some time this morning so I went to Home Depot and rented this. I think it will make a huge difference to dig out this channel, lay some new pvc and have a new return coming into the pool. The rental was for four hours, I think it took all of 30 minutes to finish. Well worth 50...

I talked with a pool guy, he said a liner is the only way to go. Should give me 5 or so years, but after that... No mas. We agreed that I should at least plumb in one of the old return jets. The pool guy said that when the pool was built in the 60's, they used a pipe for the returns that...

Thanks crookm11, It certainly did have a liner at one point. I would be thrilled to throw a liner in there, however, one repair person mentioned that the rust would start to show through the vinyl. I think at this point, we are looking for a 1-2 summer solution so we can save up money to come...

We bought the house last year, neither one of us had owned a pool before. The pool is an older style, concrete basin, Steel panel sides. It is around 30x18 in the shape of two ovals. The deeper part is 8.5' and the shallow is about 4'. The pool had some repair work done to it before we took...