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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    It would be quite simple for me to install a simple 10"x10" vent immediately behind the heater on the wall in order to provide "more" combustion air. I also think that inadequate combustion air would show as soothing on the burner tubes when and if I break down the heater even further. That...
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Thanks James. My thoughts are that the issues that I see with the bypass valve would be either chemistry or incorrect materials. Since I am comfortable with how I have addressed the chemistry of the pool I, simply by default go with the latter.....rightly or wrongly and something that I know...
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    This is the back side of the HX tubes...green is copper no?
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Understood and agreed however with the 61 sq-in of vent required as per the manual and the screen in the door always being open I would suggest that there is enough air....IMO
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    It is in a 900 cu-ft out building with a steel door and internal screen that isn't closed. There is also a bifold bar window but that is typically closed. Considering the manual asks for 61 sq-in of open venting I don't think that the unit is starved for air. I look under the burner tubes and...
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Would opening up the heater to expose the burner and tray provide any further evidence?
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    The pool shed has a door with a screened window in it and there is also a large bifold window in the bar area. The entire building is ~ 900 cubic feet The issue with a condensation theory is how does this explain that the bypass valve spring and rod broke/dissolved when it is internal to the...
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Not year round as we are in Ontario Canada. Open is typically in April and close is now. The heater is electronic so we set it to 84° and leave it. Doesn't really run much in the summer due to the warm weather and religious use of a solar cover. The original heater was also electronic and...
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Also spoke to an electrician and they indicated that bonding for shell pools was not required until after 2010. They indicated that they have seen pool heaters of this same brand go due to poor material of construction and he points to the pictures of the internal valve that has basically...
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Here are the pics of my pool equipment. As you can see no rusty gas line and all other equipment seems fine but clearly the equipment is not bonded together....
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    And the more puzzling question is why this heater is failing rapidly when the original heater lasted for 15 years?
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    The gas line is pristine like the day it was installed. I am unable to see a bond wire in or around the pool equipment anywhere so assuming that there isn't one. Am I doing help or harm by bonding all of the equipment currently in the building (pump, heater, SWG, gas line etc)?
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Agreed, sorry I was thinking of the tubes. So If I can assume that chemistry is not the issue and I know that that the equipment is grounded and I also know that it is not bonded, where do I go with this? Thoughts since tearing up my concrete deck is not really an option.
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    All of tubes pictured would be exposed to the pool water with the inlet for the tubes being on the left side and the outlet being in the right. This picture is inside the header that contains the main inlet and outlet to the pool. No stray currents are felt. My pump runs 24/7 and i always make...
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Sorry, I use a pH down powder that is cast over the surface of the water. A typical addition would be 1-2 cups and this might be done once every 3-4 weeks
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    I like to keep it around 7.5. SWG tend to creep the pH up so I use pH down occasionally to keep it close
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    My pool stays very well balanced
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    No i do not
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Just through the electrical panel that supplies the 120V
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    I don't think a bond wire was a requirement when the pool was installed over 20 years ago. As far as chemicals go just the typical ones for alkalinity and hardness. All in closed containers
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    Mesh Cover Question - Reel or no Reel?

    At 20x42 you will need a roller that can accept a 22' or more spacing between the rollers. This would typically mean extension pieces and 8nternal supports. I have a pool that is 24' wide at it's widest and the roller has all it can handle with the solar blanket. I would be surprised if it...
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    No, Salt water generator Clearwater LM2-24 since day 1 for the pool
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Thanks. Exactly my opinion as well and due to fact that SWG's have a flow switch they stop chlorine generation upon loss of flow. The Hayward installation manual however requires a check valve which in my opinion is useless. I had an older heater that lasted 15 years and this one is nothing...
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    Bonding - Arghhh

    Thanks for the response. The equipment is inside a pool house with a concrete slab base and there is no bonding cable coming through the slab. You're right however but if the pool was bonded then I would have expected to see a copper cable in the holes in the deck where the ladder anchors used...
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    Premature Failure of Hayward H250ED2C

    Hello, I had a new Hayward H250ED2C installed in 2019. The HX leaked in 2020 and was replaced at cost by Hayward. No warranty as they claimed that this was a "water chemistry" issue. I firmly deny that claim as I am a Type A person who is meticulous about my pool chemistry. I have a full...