Motor recommendation

mike.stocker

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Would anyone mind recommending a good variable speed motor for a Pentair Whisperflo High Performance pump? I acquired a used one recently with an old, non-original 2-speed Century motor that someone suggested may be underpowered for the pump and will have a limited lifespan when running on its highest speed (assuming I understood his comment correctly). It seems to be running fine for the most part but just want to be aware of some of my options if/when I should need to replace it. Or if you’d recommend just replacing the whole thing including the wet side, any recommendations for a complete unit would be great also.

Thank you!
 

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@1poolman1 may know of a model off the top of his head. :) Stand by ......
Without knowing the actual horsepower of the impeller, it is hard to know what to recommend or if there is actually any problem. The label on the opposite side of the pump with the model number is the usual way of seeing what it is without dismantling the pump to get the impeller number.
A WF-3 is a full-rated 3/4hp (1.25THP), and that motor is good.
A WF-4 is a full-rated 1hp (1.65THP), and the motor is undersized for the impeller at high speed. Running at the low speed may not pose a problem.
Not having ever mis-matched a motor with an impeller on a 2-speed pump, that's the best I can say.
Made the mistake within the first year in the business on a single-speed. Motor lasted 2 weeks and I had to eat the cost (my fault). Education does have a cost.

A Nidec Neptune NPTQ270 motor will bolt on. Get a 2hp impeller and it will be a very good VSP. Best guess is there is no automation involved.
 
Thanks for this! I’ve seen a lot of threads on here about motors with potentially too much HP for the filter or plumbing. How would I know what is too much or just right? Given what I have read, I figured a 2.7THP motor would be way too powerful for my simple setup. The filter is a Hayward S244S that holds 300lbs of sand if that matters. I attached some more photos of the motor and pump.

Also, I think there is an issue as the breaker just tripped a little while ago. I’m assuming it overheated from constantly running on high but I’m not sure. It is also baking in direct sunlight although it is only 84F right now but supposed to climb to around 90F. Presumably I should let it cool down for a while before attempting to run it again? Should I leave it on low for the time being? I’m in the middle of a SLAM so that’s why I’ve been keeping it on high. There is some dead algae on the floor of the deep end I need to vacuum out, otherwise the water is very clear now. I haven’t met all three criteria for a successful SLAM yet though and assume I won’t until I vacuum out the remaining dead algae and another day or two of holding the chlorine at shock levels, at a minimum.
 

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That pump is/was an up-rated 1hp Whisperflo (3/4hp full rated), so that motor on it is fine.
Installing a motor is more than horsepower, it is matching horsepower to the impeller. Put a 2.7hp motor on that pump and it is still a 3/4hp pump as the impeller determines how much water it will move. That impeller with a 3/4hp or a 3hp motor spinning at 3450RPM will move the same amount of water.
If you want to go with a variable-speed motor, it is of little value to keep that small impeller and a motor to match. It would have to run at a higher speed to move the amount of water to keep the pool fresh and there would be little to no savings. A 2.7 with a 2hp impeller (2.6THP) would be the best way to go if you want VSP. It could be run much slower and the savings in energy are very good. The Neptune motor gives all the control one would ever need as long as there is no automation involved.
 
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Ah okay, stupid question, could I replace the impeller on this pump with a 2hp rated one and install that Neptune motor or would I just need to replace the whole thing with something like this?


Or this?


My current combo at high speed seemed like more than enough given the flow out of the return jets. It didn’t seem to perform very well on low though.
 
Val-Pak V-20-205 2hp Whisperflo impeller - $40.00 on Amazon. OEM at Wild West Pool Supply is $95.00, but Val-Pak makes them better.
Whisperflo GO Kit - $35.00 Wild West Pool Supply (seal, O rings, gaskets)
NPTQ270 - $780.00 Wild West Pool Supply
Total $850.00 (plus labor to install). It will then become the same Whisperflo pump that Inyo Pools has for $1500.00 (plus labor to install, which would include cutting plumbing if there are no unions).
Have used this company in the past when parts not available locally with no issues.
The SuperFlo ($1100.00 plus labor to install) is a good pump, but not in the same class as the Whisperflo.
 
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Thank you! I will probably go this route. Hoping I can install it myself since I won’t have to mess with the plumbing.
Here is a good video about changing a motor on that pump. Be sure to replace the impeller screw and rubber cup it sits in. It is removed by turning to the right (left-hand thread) and threads back turning to the left. Leave it out and you will ruin the motor.

Here is a video on programming the motor:
 
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Howdy, I am revisiting this thread as I just bought that recommended Nidec motor and impeller. In an effort to make swapping out the old motor with this new one as quick and seamless as possible, I decided to build the motor end completely, from the impeller to the seal plate and all of the gaskets in between. That way it is only 6 bolts to swap them out and I'll know that everything on that side is brand new. I even bought the salt rated go kit hoping it would be slightly more heavy duty and potentially last longer, especially since I plan to install a SWCG in the next few seasons.

I have a question about the diffuser part. I have noticed there are different hp-rated versions available. Val-pak has one that says 1.5-2hp and one that says 3hp. Is there any benefit or problem using the 3hp one? I ordered the 1.5-2hp one, which is supposed to be cream colored, but I was sent a black one which appears to be the 3hp version.

Also, I have seen some posts on previous threads about new motors being too powerful on high speeds. How do I figure out how fast I can run the new motor? I don't want to start it on its highest speed and screw something up in my filter or with the piping, especially underground as it is all under brick patio and concrete pool decking. I have a very simple pool though with no water features or spa, only two return jets and one skimmer, no main drain. All of my piping underground is 1.5" if that matters, mostly 2" on the equipment pad.
 

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