Cloudy water issue

Lagoony

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Oct 17, 2020
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San Diego
Background info: 26k gallon gunite/pebbletec pool that is almost 3 years old. I’ve always done the maintenance, following the TFP guidelines. Pentair cartridge filter that I clean regularly, SWCG running to spec and I maintain FC between a low of 4 and a high of 7. I’m usually falling in the 5-6 ppm range. I keep the pH between 7.6-7.8 by testing and adding acid regularly. Alkalinity is within spec but my calcium hardness has slowly risen steadily since we installed the pool 3 years ago, currently around 650 ppm.

In the summer, I keep the temp at 86 degrees with solar heating.

Ok, so the pool was quite cloudy last summer and I attributed this to algae. I SLAM’d the pool at the end of the season and got more diligent watching the pH, and the water was CRYSTAL clear all winter. As we started to use the pool again in June, I noticed that the cloudiness issue was beginning to reappear, and it seemed to coincide with the increasing temperature, not necessarily use. This summer, I been testing the FC nearly every day and it’s consistently in the 5-6 ppm range. As such, I am inclined to think this is not an algae problem.

The cloudiness isn’t terrible, but it’s obvious and the best way I can describe it is the way the Taylor CYA test liquid looks when you first start to add that to the final sample. Like, I can see toys at the bottom of the pool just fine, but it is obviously cloudy and it bugs me.

I’ve never tested phosphate, someone told me that is the culprit (I don’t believe him). I’ve also been told it’s the high calcium, but I see friends’ pools in the neighborhood that have higher calcium than mine, and they are totally clear. I don’t think I have calcium precipitating out of solution or anything like that, at this pH.

I did use the Clorox brand water clarifier at the start of the summer, when I first began to notice the issue, and it helped (for a few days). I don’t like adding stuff to the water, but I’m tempted to try that again. But if the cloudiness is due to some sort of gunk getting in the pool.. it just seems strange that it only happens in the summer. There is less debris in my backyard this time of year.

Any other ideas what it could be? Does the anecdotal correlation to increased water temperature set off any alarm bells in your head? What am I missing?
 
What is your CYA level?

I would recommend running an OCLT to determine if the cloudiness is algae or another issue:
 
Adding on the the above, your chlorine needs to be higher. You are flirting with the minimums and at risk for algae.
 
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Where did you pull that CYA/FC chart from? The chart and calculator that I see here on this site says a min of 3 ppm FC and a target range of 5-10 for a CYA level of 70.

As stated above, FC has been maintained consistently at the 5-6 ppm level, so I’m not seeing a problem there (especially when taking into consideration the OCLT). Yes, I’m at the low end of the target range, but I’m within the target range, and almost double the minimum level. I understand the basics behind CYA, FC, etc.

Anyone else have any novel ideas what the source of this cloudiness might be?
 
Where did you pull that CYA/FC chart from? The chart and calculator that I see here on this site says a min of 3 ppm FC and a target range of 5-10 for a CYA level of 70.

As stated above, FC has been maintained consistently at the 5-6 ppm level, so I’m not seeing a problem there (especially when taking into consideration the OCLT). Yes, I’m at the low end of the target range, but I’m within the target range, and almost double the minimum level. I understand the basics behind CYA, FC, etc.

Anyone else have any novel ideas what the source of this cloudiness might be?
Edit - I did not realize you had a salt pool. Use the salt table Newdude posted below. I still think the cloudiness is algae, but could be a filter issue. Give details of the filter and we can help you check that out too.

See the link in my signature. Here is what I get when I put in CYA of 70 for a non-salt pool and why I said your 4-6 ppm level was flirting with the minimum:

As for the cloudiness, that is most likely algae particles. That is how algae usually start and you will see the cloudiness before you see it getting a foothold on a wall or other surface. Did you do the OCLT test I mentioned above? That will tell you for sure if you have algae, but cloudy water and FC at or below the minum in the heat of the summer usually means algae.

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Where did you pull that CYA/FC chart from? The chart and calculator that I see here on this site says a min of 3 ppm FC and a target range of 5-10 for a CYA level of 70.
I posted the liquid chlorine chart by mistake. Here's the SWG chart.

swcg_chart.jpg

I checked your Signature but nothing was listed. Please fill it out when you get a min. It really helps us to see your system at a glance. Yes. You mentioned the SWG but it got lost in the novel above. (Thanks for being thorough because the details matter) :)
 
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Just for funsies, pretend your CYA is at 80 and shoot for 10-11 each day. Still well below SLAM. Try that for a few days and let’s see how you do.
 

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