PEX piping for swimming pools

Flying Tivo

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Jan 24, 2017
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Monterrey, NL, Mexico
Pool Size
7500
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Looking back i really wish i could have done my home piping with PEX. Now that i know.
What about using PEX on pools? They are available up to 3in Outside diameter. Has
anybody used it on their pool? Any experience? Not that i will be building one anytime soon,
but very curious.
 
I'd stay with PVC and other traditional systems. A really smart guy once told me "Chris, if it ain't broke don't fix it".

That said, I used Uponor Pex on my house but it is Pex a not what most people think of as pex which is Pex b. Time will tell if this is really better and eliminates some of the Pex problems.

Chris
 
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Rats chew PEX (I've heard). I know for a fact that ground squirrels chew through drip. I'm sure a determined squirrel or gopher could get through PVC if it really wanted to, but I don't think we've ever heard of it here in the forum (I haven't, anyway). But I certainly wouldn't use PEX underground where I live, making it all the more tempting for 'em. Except...

I did use it for a water main supply line at a four-plex I personally replumbed down to the meter. I researched at the time and couldn't find anyone or any article that advised against that. But I encased the entire PEX line in the next larger size of PVC anyway, just to play it safe. Why didn't I just use the PVC for the water, you ask? Because most of the PVC I used was the previous water main. I just shoved the PEX through it and so didn't have to dig up a whole lotta yard by doing it that way. I encased in new PVC only the short couple of areas I had had to dig up. I may live to regret all that some day, but it's been holding for a couple years so far.

There is expansion/contraction issues with PEX, too. I accounted for that with the water main (I think?). But that might be an additional challenge if used for a pool. PVC must expand/contract a little, too, but probably not anywhere near as much as PEX would.

I think it was @ajw22 that has warned against the use of flexible PVC for pools, as it is vulnerable to something that eats it. Bugs maybe. Termites was it? Whatever it was maybe he would know if the same critters would go after PEX, too.
 
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Frequent or continuous exposure to water conditions beyond those used in ASTM Test Method F2023 (i.e., aggressive water quality with an ORP above 825 mV and/or pressures above 80 psig and/or temperatures above 140°F) may cause premature oxidation and eventual brittleness of the PEX material, reducing its ability to meet long-term requirements. Conversely, infrequent or sporadic exposure to such operating conditions may have little effect on PEX pipe or tubing, with regards to its anticipated lifetime.

For operating conditions beyond the specified end-use conditions of the respective PEX standards, users should contact the specific pipe or tubing manufacturer to determine whether such conditions are approved for use.
 

Lab testing revealed that the failures of the PEX were consistent with chlorine degradation. Chlorine degradation of PEX occurs when the chlorine in drinking water, which is added to keep it clean and safe for human consumption, attacks the PEX piping, breaking down molecular bonds, resulting in micro-cracks that gradually expand to the point of a pipe failure. Because of this, PEX piping includes chlorine-neutralizing chemicals that are intended to extend the life of the pipe.

While PEX is tested for resistance to chlorine, there are several factors that increase the risk of chlorine failures in PEX, including elevated temperatures and pressures, exposure to UV rays from the sun or fluorescent lights, and local water conditions.
 

PEX is susceptible to oxidative degradation and embrittlement when exposed to hot chlorinated water, while CPVC isn’t susceptible to attack by chlorinated water.
 
There are grades of PEX designed for direct burial and use in applications where one would use hard PVC pipe. But you have to know what you’re using. Also, connections matter A LOT. I would only use expansion type connections with direct burial, no crimps or push-to-fit nonsense. PEX is a shape memory material meaning it can be expanded by very large factors but will “remember” it’s original shape and go back to that once the applied force is removed. This results in hundreds of PSI of clamping force around a connection nipple which is next to impossible to develop leaks. Crimps, clamps, and “shark bite” connectors can’t come even close to the forces developed by a shape memory expansion fit. It’s also the only connection type that’s approved for direct burial and set-in-concrete applications.
 

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There are grades of PEX designed for direct burial and use in applications where one would use hard PVC pipe. But you have to know what you’re using. Also, connections matter A LOT. I would only use expansion type connections with direct burial, no crimps or push-to-fit nonsense. PEX is a shape memory material meaning it can be expanded by very large factors but will “remember” it’s original shape and go back to that once the applied force is removed. This results in hundreds of PSI of clamping force around a connection nipple which is next to impossible to develop leaks. Crimps, clamps, and “shark bite” connectors can’t come even close to the forces developed by a shape memory expansion fit. It’s also the only connection type that’s approved for direct burial and set-in-concrete applications.
Yah, I probably got a few things wrong. Maybe this will prove to be one of them. I didn't know about PEX grades. But I wasn't dumb enough to use push fittings anywhere, so there's that. I used crimps everywhere, including underground. Well, technically there is only one crimp underground, right at the meter. I used an unbroken length from meter to house, so there's nothing but PEX in that entire run. It's encased in PVC. Is that still considered "direct burial?" It's not actually exposed to the dirt. Well, at least 98% of it isn't.

I can't now remember how I connected the PEX to the copper that comes out of the dirt (to which I connected the main valve and the pressure regulator. I think it curves from horizontal to vertical, then I probably crimped something to adapt to copper. If it fails, it'll be at one end or the other, relatively easy to dig up.

I probably saved $20K doing it myself,* so if I have to pay for some water spilled a couple times, I can live with that. It's not my home, so if it lasts until I sell the place:

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Come to think of it, based on how badly I estimate construction costs, it might be double that. I did all the plumbing, rough and finish, I did all demo and all the sheetrock, taping, texturing and painting (to access running all the pipe). I built a distribution manifold complete with four independent water meters (I got kudos for that from the inspector). I'm usually off by 100% or more. How much would it have been for a plumber, rocker and painter + a general to 100% replumb a four-plex and replace every fixture (four full baths, four kitchens)? I think total materials were around $3K. So maybe I saved $37K+? I can fix a lot of mistakes for that!

The jury on PEX for my water main is still out, but it sounds like they've got a verdict for under a pool.
 
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The biggest problem with PEX in my opinion is that there are too many “if this then that” choices to make and multiple different grades of tubing to choose from. That leads to every plumber and weekend warrior having their own flavor of installation. Then, the poor schmuck like me opens up the wall and finds five different variations of patches and installation mistakes. It’s maddening.

PVC is simple - measure it, cut it, clean it, glue it, rinse & repeat. There’s no choices, no options, no scratching your head (or other bodily part) trying to figure out what the heck the last guy did … it just works.

I’m sure your installation is fine and you probably saved yourself a lot of money … I just feel bad for The Next GuyTM
 
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I just feel bad for The Next GuyTM
There's that, but I inherited a rotting plumbing system that I later learned was very well known to the previous owners. Plumbers I had engaged telling me "Oh, yah, we're out here all the time." None of that was ever disclosed to me at the sale. The home inspector I hired would have sited his contract clause "hidden in the walls, not my problem." The cost of litigation would have been more than the cost of the plumbing materials, and those are tough cases to win. Better to put that money into the plumbing than into the hands of an attorney.

The next owner will inherit a fully restored system that was permitted and inspected by the city. If he only has to deal with a few of my mistakes, (if there actually are any), he's still going to be way ahead. Maybe $30-40K ahead. Replacing the plumbing as I did won't do anything for the sale price.

I think my karma statements will reflect that I'm still in the green.

In an attempt to justify this hijack and bring this back to the OP's thread: best to stick with tried and true when it comes to pools. I used PEX in my four-plex because that is the current industry standard. Using PEX on a pool isn't. Best not to risk being a pioneer for such things, especially when the cost of a backfire could be in the five figures.
 
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There's that, but I inherited a rotting plumbing system that I later learned was very well known to the previous owners. Plumbers I had engaged telling me "Oh, yah, we're out here all the time." None of that was ever disclosed to me at the sale. The home inspector I hired would have sited his contract clause "hidden in the walls, not my problem." The cost of litigation would have been more than the cost of the plumbing materials, and those are tough cases to win. Better to put that money into the plumbing than into the hands of an attorney.

The next owner will inherit a fully restored system that was permitted and inspected by the city. If he only has to deal with a few of my mistakes, (if there actually are any), he's still going to be way ahead. Maybe $30-40K ahead. Replacing the plumbing as I did won't do anything for the sale price.

I think my karma statements will reflect that I'm still in the green.

In an attempt to justify this hijack and bring this back to the OP's thread: best to stick with tried and true when it comes to pools. I used PEX in my four-plex because that is the current industry standard. Using PEX on a pool isn't. Best not to risk being a pioneer for such things, especially when the cost of a backfire could be in the five figures.

You were The Next GuyTM 😂😂

But you did the right for the NEXT Next Guy … that’s very karma-positive for you 🧘‍♂️
 
So let me shed my experience with Pex. The inside of my house is copper, and all my exterior fixtures are/were done with pex. Ive owned the house only about 2 years and already have had to re run most of the pex stuff that was installed outside. Both in the ground and above ground. My existing outdoor shower had bursted at a 90. And the pipes run underground out to my pier even though they were drained and we get below freezing for maybe 4 weeks out of the year. Were still were broken and had to be re run this summer. This is all just on city water pressure and half inch or 3/4 inch size. Next spring when my pier is rebuilt we will be running PVC to the pier.

I can't imagine what 2" or 3" would do after a season or two under the pressure of an up to 3 hp pump pushing water through it 24/7. Seems like an absolute recipe for disaster for no benefit that I can think of.
 
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…. I think plumbers like PEX because it guarantees a nice stream of future billable hours ….

Then again, 70 years ago, all the people that had cast iron water pipes with lead brazed joints probably thought all us kids were stupid for installing “plastic” pipes in our home …”ain’t nuttin’ wrong with eye-ron and lead daggummit!! The Roman Empire was built on lead pipes!! 😂🤪
 
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Ever had to deal with Orangeburg Pipe? It was the rage 70 years ago. The PEX of the 50s. Ask me how I know...

Oh my lord those were horrible … dumbest idea ever. Tar saturated cardboard essentially. Sometimes there just aren’t words for it …
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