Oxygen Pools System

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Molloypm

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If you have thought about buying an "Oxygen Pools" system for your pool you will want to read this review.

I have owned this system for a second year now and at some point it failed and may have hev actually never worked at all. The company is sending me a replacement unit but I will not use it.
The product profile makes it sound as if the unit generates pure oxygen and injects it into the water as evidence of hundreds of tiny bubbles in the outlet flow. The bubbles are more likely from a valve system that you have to tune until the bubbles appear. As you can see from the internal pictures the unit does do much of anything.
There is a heating element and the unit does get very hot.
There is a venturi system that uses the flowing water to pull regular air into a small tube and over a small copper surface, then out to mix with the flowing water.
The system of tubes the air flows through is a very small and has three check valves that are supposed to keep water out (these failed).

My Technical Opinion: If any ions are actually created by the copper element, there would not be enough of them to treat a thousands of gallons of water.
***The "Non Chlorine Oxygen Shock" they sell you has chlorine in it, I tested a sample.
Both last year and this year I had an algae problem and had to chlorinate the pool to get rid of it. Then clean the day after day after day.

IMO this product is not doing what it claims it can and the quality of the internal components are garbage. Every one of these units should fail.
 

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Mollyopm, while we normally do not accept strongly positive or negative posts from first time posters, we agree with your findings that this device is basically worthless to residential pool owners. This website is intended for homeowners to learn how to care for their pools in the safest most economically way.
Here are the ways we trust to get the job done *right*--> How to Chlorinate Your Pool

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Hi Molly 👋 Welcome to tfp 😊
Sadly you aren’t the 1st to realize those types of systems really don’t do quite what they claim. The proven ways to keep your pool sanitary & beautiful are in the link Maddie provided.
Just wanted to clear a little something up though. If you were testing the non chlorine shock (mps) effects with a kit or strips that read total chlorine instead of separate values of free chlorine & combined chlorine it may very well have elevated the total chlorine level because mps can show up as combined chlorine in testing if a special interference reagent is not used.
Fc+ cc = TC.
This is why having a good test kit that tests both values separately & accurately is paramount for taking care of your pool.

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I understand about the chlorine measurement. What I did was take a few granules of the powder and dissolve them in water and then test it. The ratio was probably way off but I was still surprised to see a high reading from a product called Non Chlorine shock. I always used a floater just in case the Oxy thing was a scam so directly testing my pool water would not have worked.

My problems always arose when my water got near 80 deg. and the chlorine level was maintained at low. Basically a bad situation with a useless oxygenator.

On a separate note, I have a lot of experience with water chemistry because my levels have been out of whack since day one. My alkalinity is always high and my PH Low (meters). For some reason no pool place was able to tell me how to best correct for this so mu own trial and error to figure it out. I will look for this thread

Thanks Phil,
 
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Molloypm said:
What I did was take a few granules of the powder and dissolve them in water and then test it. The ratio was probably way off but I was still surprised to see a high reading from a product called Non Chlorine shock.
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Non-chlorine shock interferes with chlorine tests and will show up as combined chlorine when tested. It does not mean there is chlorine in the product.

It's actually a somewhat common (and very shady) tactic of pool stores to tell someone their chlorine is "locked" by showing the test registering zero, then adding some non-chlorine shock to make the sample show high chlorine and tell the customer that it "released the locked chlorine that was in their pool". No truth to that, but it sells those $10 bags.
 
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Yeah, adding a few granules of MPS to a test vial will spike the oxidizer level so high that it will register as pink. The thing to understand about the DPD indicator is that it is sensitive to all oxidizers, anything that can be classified as an oxidizer will turn there DPD pink at a sufficiently high concentration. It's just much more sensitive to chlorine and bromine than, say, peroxide or MPS. So it generally takes a lot more MPS to show up in the first part of the test. I'm sure they sold you non-chlorine shock, because if they did mislabel what they are selling that's a potentially huge federal felony.

Now what they did do "legally" is sell you the equivalent of "magic beans" in the form of their oxygen generator which, as you now know, is utterly useless. But, the way they get away with that is by having some very fine printed legalese somewhere in their product instructions or on their website that tells you that their product is NOT a water sanitizing system and that you have to use some small level of chlorine to keep your water sanitary. It's somewhere in their corporate literature, it's just buried. Then, because they stated somewhere that their product is actually complete garbage, they can honestly say that it's your fault for not understanding that fact.

Sorry for your troubles. And I agree that this post should stay up on the forum because other people should have a chance to find this post when Google searching this particular product.

Thank you for posting.
 
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The venturi injector is brown downstream from the injection point, which indicates that it is producing oxygen or ozone, but not enough to do anything but oxidize some of the iron in the water.

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Now what they did do "legally" is sell you the equivalent of "magic beans" in the form of their oxygen generator which, as you now know, is utterly useless. But, the way they get away with that is by having some very fine printed legalese somewhere in their product instructions or on their website that tells you that their product is NOT a water sanitizing system and that you have to use some small level of chlorine to keep your water sanitary. It's somewhere in their corporate literature, it's just buried. Then, because they stated somewhere that their product is actually complete garbage, they can honestly say that it's your fault for not understanding that fact.
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I at first thought browsed there site and thought they were getting away with it by carefully avoiding mention of sanitizing anywhere. They were very careful to just use words like "oxidizer" and "oxidizes waste". However, in their shop they sell hygrogen perioxide, which they say "sanitizes and shocks" pool water. That seems like a claim they cannot make.

Digging deeper, looked up the EPA registration for "Formula O". And bingo, there it is, what you stated.
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And here. Although the statement that ozone generators and UV systems are sanitizers is false.
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Additionally, I do not think the claim that they are selling this legally applies, even though the label says to use it with traditional pool sanitizers. Because it's clearly listed that claims made as part of its sale the differ substantially from any claim made as part of the statement required for registration under FIFRA is unlawful. They are careful to avoid any claims on Formula O that differ from the registration, except that they advertise their system in general, which requires the use of Formula O, as being an alternative to chlorine, and yet Formula O is listed as being for use with chlorine and bromine. I think they are trying to get around this by also having listed on the label that it's for UV systems and ozone systems. So on one hand, it appears they are legal, since they don't claim it's a sanitizer and "can be used with chlorine". On the other hand, they also list on their website that ozone is neutralized by chlorine and to not use chlorine.
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We started using the Oxygen Pool system on day one of the pool being filled because we saw it for sale in a local pool store. We only used the F-O powder as directed and a chlorine floater as an added measure of protection. After a few weeks it seemed everything was fine and the water was clear, but then it turned cloudy with a green tint. That's when we had to start using algaecide, clarifier, and chlorine shock to get the water clear again. The rest of the summer we just kept the chlorine level closer to the minimum normal, along with adding F-O powder and everything was fine. It is possible that something in the two chemicals they tell you not to use, caused the check valve elastomers to fail. I can't think of any other reason not to use a normal chemical regiment, especially if they know their ionizer module is inadequate. In this module I see nothing that would produce Ozone. The unit passes air over a very small heated copper tube so the only thing it could produce are positive copper ions. The copper tube in the unit was not black so there was no evidence of oxidation.
 

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