2 years of fixing issues, but finally near the end... What a feeling.

jesse-99

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Jandy Aquapure 1400
Not sure if this is the right forum or not, but even after 2 (very long) years, I still feel like I'm "Just Getting Started". I bought a home in Summer of 2020 with a crazy/resort-like pool in the back... Fully landscaped with giant boulders (50 tons worth) and rock mountains, 2 huge waterfalls, a giant waterslide, an upper spa (leads to the slide which goes down to the main pool) with a cool Tiki Hut next to it, a disappearing edge and overflow basin, a cave grotto with seating, built in bar-stools/firepit (all in the pool), 2 bubblers/fountains on the beach, and an infinity swim thing-a-ma-bopper. And here I thought, never having owned a pool, "Oh neat, this will be awesome. What problems could their be with a pool? It should take what, 5-10 minutes a week to manage and maintain properly, right?!" I sure was ignorant and naive.

The pool worked, sure. But, it had it's share of problems. Okay, a LOT of problems. Of which, I had to figure out nearly all of the problems and fixes by myself because the company maintaining the pool was a bit, lacking, of how all the pieces of this massive puzzle came together and were supposed to work (thankfully at least they were honest, and didn't take advantage of me). They were good with break/fix of the physical equipment, but didn't quite grasp the dynamics of the pool that all had to be running in-sync for everything to operate properly. I was basically forced to learn it all on my own (with the help of TFP!) and make decisions for fixes and improvements to get the pool running 100% efficiently and without problems. What a work in progress, but it's also been a great learning experience (yeah, let's call it that, a learning experience) and I feel way more empowered and knowledgeable as a pool owner now. I've since switched pool maintenance companies as well, and found a service manager that really LISTEN to me, and trust my own knowledge (which they admit is more than other pool owner they've encountered so far), they trust my Taylor-2006C reading and findings and let me manage my own chemicals per my liking, and they also know about TFP and admit to coming here to learn and figure things out (imagine my delight when I mentioned TFP early on when we began discussing them maintaining my pool and he says that he loves coming to this website too). Not to mention, he admits when he doesn't know something, rather than faking it and pretending to know. I can certainly appreciate that, as we all continue to learn about this stuff constantly (for example, he learned about Poly-Fill in the skimmer from me, which I learned from TFP, and he thinks it's a great addition for getting rid of iron when its in suspension, based on what he's witnessed with iron in my pool and use of Poly Fill).

That all being said, it's been a long long road. And I can't count the number of times I thought it'd be better to get some dump trunks of concrete and fill this blasted thing in but... patience (and unfortunately, a whole lot of $$ to address all these issues) seems to be winning out and things are very close to getting to where everything is finally about where it needs to be.

All the issues fixed along the way.... (in order of completion)
Replaced Jandy PLC1400 Salt Water Generators
Replaced the Caretaker In-Floor Filter Gaskets (Octopus)
Replaced the main Jandy Filter Pump (2.25HP to 2.65HP)
Replaced (5) older lights with (5) Jandy RGB LED lights
Replaced corroded gas line (leaking!) for the in-pool FirePit
Resolved issue with overflow basin from disappearing edge causing pool to leak 1500-3500 gallons/day
Added Radiant Heat from boiler in the Cave Grotto mounted on the wall
Painted inside of Cave Grotto walls/ceiling and removed calcium deposits
Repaired all mortar joints around lower pit and disappearing edge (until pool is re-tiled and re-plastered in 2022)
Replaced Jandy 350k BTU Heater
Updated iAquaLink naming conventions to match what the equipment is/does
Fixed issues with iAquaLink constantly losing connections to wireless and iAquaLink app
Created pool map and layout of all equipment mapped to which drains/returns, etc. (Visio Diagram)
Diagnosed and fixed all the Caretaker in-floor head system problems and replaced all 37 pop-up heads with proper nozzle sizes
Created map of all Caretaker in-floor heads and which zones each pop-up is tied to
Added two deck storage bins to pool equipment pad
Added 12ft of PVC piping to properly backwash from Jandy DEV-60 filter properly from the multiport-valve (previously no backwashing)
Fixed all 4 waterfall basins on top of boulders/mountain (500 gallons/basin) which caused pool to leak (appx 1,600 gallons every 32 hours) by adding Vinyl pool liners in the 4 basins
Re-tiled entire pool, upper spa, and overflow basin (NPT brand tiling)
Re-plastered and partial chip out of entire pool, upper spa, and overflow basin (Diamond Brite, DB Tahoe Blue)
Continued with regular scrubbing/brushing of pool 4x-5x per week after new plaster finish
Continued with regular use of Poly-Fill to remove iron from water when it goes from Solution to Suspension to decrease chance of staining
Replaced 3HP motor on Pump #6 (right waterfall) which failed on pool start-up and went up in smoke
Replaced 2 defective check/backflow valves on Pump #5 and Pump #6
Replaced Jandy DE 60sq ft filter from the main Filter Pump with Sta-Rite System-7 400sq ft cartridge filter
Added additional/secondary Pentair 100sq ft cartridge filter to Slide Pump so filtering can now be accomplished from bottom of pool too (instead of just at the skimmers)
Clean/acid washed SWG cells in both SWGs
Removed the additional SWG before the heater so heater elements don't wear down as fast from high concentration of chlorine
Fixed electrical issue from Slide Pump and Filter Pump running to two different breakers and backfeeding causing the Filter Pump to shut off when Slide Pump would run
Replaced missing Weir valve on skimmer by the slide, replace return eyelids, replace skimmer handles
Light acid wash on the rock boulders by the upper spa to remove stains and calcium from years of buildup
... and lots of testing with Taylor 2006C kit and lots of reading on TFP to learn, learn, and learn. (and re-learn)

This site really is amazing. I can't express how much I appreciate every single response I've received to my past posts here, and all the knowledge I learn from the real experts around here that -always- seem to offer up opinions and advice for us newbies and frustrated owners when I'm randomly reading things here to increase my own knowledge and curiosities. (and Pool Math app FTW!)

-J
 
It would be great to see pictures of your pool and equipment pad. I can only imagine based on what you described.
 
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Couple of views added per request... Will need to get one of the equipment pad, don't have one handy at the moment.

All made possible with the help of you guys, and especially @mgtfp last year when I was first sorting through all this mess and all the late night PMs and help that was offered!20220831_120024.jpg20220831_120053.jpg20220831_121242.jpg20220831_121402.jpg
 
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And especially @mgtfp last year when I was first sorting through all this mess and all the late night PMs and help that was offered

He's Australian, so he is just goofing off at work while the rest of us are resting up to goof off at work tomorrow. But yeah. He's top notch. :)
 
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I was definitely scanning through the thread, hoping to see some pics. Thanks for posting. It’s beautiful
 
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I don't think I'll ever forgot the chains of PMs we were sending at like 1am my time and me thinking, "Wow, it's 1am, this guy is really dedicated to helping me out!" haha
 
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Congratulations on your success jesse-99!

Similar situation here, new (to us) home, neglected pool, (but on a MUCH smaller scale than you). I'm naturally inquisitive and a quick learner and I love a challenge. After a few months of research and hard work, utilizing all of the resources at my disposal, we now have a perfectly functioning (and thoroughly enjoyable) pool and spa. Total costs to date: $400. It's not perfect but it's a darn sight better than how we found it.

Sure feels good to step back and enjoy the fruits of your labors!
 

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@kbuhagiar It does.... I still have a few more things to figure out. Like how often I need to run my 2 waterfalls, because when I don't run them regularly enough (or forget to), the 2 basins for each waterfall (so 4 basins total, and each basin is appx 400 gallons) end up with stagnant water, and the top 2-3" of the basins leak through the boulders and mortar pretty quickly until the water level sits at where my vinyl liner reaches up to. In short, the 4 basins, are highly susceptible to: falling pine needles and leaves and other debris, and loss of chlorine due to constant sunlight and lack of water flow (when I don't run the waterfalls enough). So then, 3 day later when I turn them on, 1600 gallons of sometimes not super clean and slightly green and slightly algae water comes overflowing into my pool, which may not seem like a lot, but its enough to take a perfectly clean and clear blue pool and turn it aqua or a very light green. I know I could run those waterfalls a LOT more often, but they are on 2 different 3HP pumps and they use a lot of electricity, Maybe I just need to set a schedule in my iAquaLink to run those 2 pumps 2x a day for at least 30 mines to keep those basins from losing chlorine from being stagnant.

The one downside is to managing the pool is that its like I have 7 individual pools or bodies of water.... 1: Main Pool (30,000G). 2: Upper Spa (600G). 3: Overflow edge/basin (1500G), and 4-7: four independent waterfall basins (1600G). The upper spa gets a ton of pin needles and leaves, and so do the 4 waterfall basins, I -really- want to find a way cover to protect them from Crud getting in there... and my Overflow edge/basin, kind of acts as a huge skimmer for whatever comes over the edge from the pool.

Minor things I have to figure out yet how to properly deal with. Being surrounded by trees and pines and woods, that isn't helping me either.

@Britali -- thank you so much! Few more things to figure out and do yet... but close!
 
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@kbuhagiar It does.... I still have a few more things to figure out. Like how often I need to run my 2 waterfalls, because when I don't run them regularly enough (or forget to), the 2 basins for each waterfall (so 4 basins total, and each basin is appx 400 gallons) end up with stagnant water, and the top 2-3" of the basins leak through the boulders and mortar pretty quickly until the water level sits at where my vinyl liner reaches up to. In short, the 4 basins, are highly susceptible to: falling pine needles and leaves and other debris, and loss of chlorine due to constant sunlight and lack of water flow (when I don't run the waterfalls enough). So then, 3 day later when I turn them on, 1600 gallons of sometimes not super clean and slightly green and slightly algae water comes overflowing into my pool, which may not seem like a lot, but its enough to take a perfectly clean and clear blue pool and turn it aqua or a very light green. I know I could run those waterfalls a LOT more often, but they are on 2 different 3HP pumps and they use a lot of electricity, Maybe I just need to set a schedule in my iAquaLink to run those 2 pumps 2x a day for at least 30 mines to keep those basins from losing chlorine from being stagnant.

The one downside is to managing the pool is that its like I have 7 individual pools or bodies of water.... 1: Main Pool (30,000G). 2: Upper Spa (600G). 3: Overflow edge/basin (1500G), and 4-7: four independent waterfall basins (1600G). The upper spa gets a ton of pin needles and leaves, and so do the 4 waterfall basins, I -really- want to find a way cover to protect them from Crud getting in there... and my Overflow edge/basin, kind of acts as a huge skimmer for whatever comes over the edge from the pool.

Minor things I have to figure out yet how to properly deal with. Being surrounded by trees and pines and woods, that isn't helping me either.

@Britali -- thank you so much! Few more things to figure out and do yet... but close!
Could you consider filling in the waterfall basins with stamped concrete that looks like a flat rock, sloped slightlytoward the pool? That way the water is flowing only into the pool when the waterfalls are on and nothing is left sitting anywhere. That’s essentially what a I have, although much smaller than yours obviously! But then no stagnant water, and I think it would look just as pretty since it’s the flowing water you look at when they are on, not the basins.
 
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That's one thought we had, yep! But, it wouldn't be very easy without tearing out numerous boulders that are mortared in that weigh 1,000 pounds or so, to slope things that way. We were considering filling in the basins with concrete, at least to make the basins way smaller, or maybe partially fill in, so there's just less of a basin and less water. But yeah, you're on the same track we are, trying to figure out a way to eliminate the 4 extra basins that just have a tendency to get stagnant and collect debris and algae.
 
After being here for a minute (fear of algae), I requested that our PB not include any pools for the waterfall. We did have voids behind the larger flat boulders that they filled with the same mortar mix that they used to hold the boulders in place and then placed fist sized egg rocks to help it blend. They also threw in a couple of larger loose flat rocks that allow us to tweak the flow of the water before it hits the lip. Here is a pic without water to give you an idea.

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Yeah not having a small basin/pool -before- the actual waterfall should definitely help. If you do have basin/pool -before- the waterfall, then IMHO you -have- to run that waterfall at least a short time 2x a day or so to keep fresh chlorine in it. Otherwise, your FC could get eaten up fast (especially if they are higher and getting direct sunlight all the time like mine are) .. I'm seriously considering filling in all 4 basins/pools with concrete next season as there really is no reason to have them, except to climb up on the boulders and say, "look I have 4 pretty cool mini-pools on top these giant boulders", which is then usually followed by, "oh geez, look how many leaves and pine needles and debris and other Crud has collected in them!" heh..
 
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