How much do you do to check a business?

JamesW

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Mar 2, 2011
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A recent thread shows how a business stole money from customers:


The question is: What due diligence did the homeowners do, if any, and would it have been enough to protect them?

Here is what I suggest:

The full legal name of the company as it is registered with the state, which might be the single sole proprietor’s name and any DBA (Doing Business As) names the company uses.

Full contact information for the company including website, email, physical address, phone, EIN, registered agent if any etc.

For any business with a “Fictitious” or DBA (Doing Business As) name, there has to be a state or local registration of the “Fictitious” or DBA (Doing Business As) name as associated to the full legal name of the company, which is the person’s name if a sole proprietor or a corporation or LLC or Partnership.

A business license if required (Link to verify that it is active and in good standing).

An Employer Identification Number (EIN) if required or available.

A sales tax permit if they will charge sales tax on products they itemize (retail) like chemicals, parts, supplies etc.

A contractor’s license if required by the city, state or federal government depending on the type and scope of work.

A trade license for any work requiring a trade license like plumbing or electrical.

All owner information including a comprehensive detailed profile of all qualifications, work history, background check verification including civil, criminal and traffic from all courts anywhere.

Check all reviews from any site like BBB, Google, Yelp, Porch, Thumbtack, Amazon etc.

You want insurance including:

General Liability.

Errors and Omissions for any professional work, especially if the work requires a trade license.

Umbrella (Preferred).

Commercial Auto.

Worker’s Compensation Insurance if the business has employees.

Surety Bond in an amount of the total cost of the job (Minimum).

Verify that a building permit was issued before the contractor does any work requiring a permit.

Some information is available online, but it can be complicated and time consuming to find what exact qualifications are required and if the company actually meets the requirements.

Worker’s compensation insurance information might be available online, but other insurance and bond verifications need to be provided by the company.

The Houston contractor search shows that the right to do business in Texas was revoked.

Epic Fiberglass Pools.

https://mycpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/coaSearchBtn

There are no requirements for a contractor’s license or a business license in Houston, which seems like a bad idea.

THERE IS NO GENERAL BUSINESS LICENSE ISSUED BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON.

Some permits (especially for GENERAL CONTRACTORS) must be obtained on a job-by-job basis.

PRIME AND/OR GENERAL CONTRACTORS ARE NOT PROFESSIONALLY LICENSED IN HOUSTON OR BY THE STATE OF TEXAS. THERE IS NO “GENERAL CONTRACTOR LICENSE”.


A recent thread indicates that a pool service is using the name Trouble Free Pool, which is probably a trademark infringement and the person is trading on the reputation of this site.


So, here is some information related to “Trouble Free Pool Service”, which shows that their “license is expired and not able to contract at this time”.

Further investigation shows that they have no worker’s compensation insurance, but they seem to have employees, which means that any employee that gets injured on a customer’s property could potentially create a liability for the homeowner.

UNIVERSITY POOLS INC. DBA (Doing Business As) TROUBLE FREE POOLS.

(760) 385-8722

2021-9010714



UNIVERSITY POOLS INC. DBA (Doing Business As) TROUBLE FREE POOLS


Contractor's License Detail for License # 1028787

This license is expired and not able to contract at this time.

D-35 - Pool and Spa Maintenance Contractor

California Code of Regulations

Title 16, Division 8, Article 3. Classifications

A pool and spa maintenance contractor installs, replaces or repairs pool motors, pumps, filters, gas heaters and any above ground piping in connection with pools; includes electrical switches, breakers, pool lights, diving boards, existing solar systems that heat pools, pool and spa acid baths and applies vinyl liners to existing surfaces.

Business Phone Number: (619) 797-6651

Entity Sole Ownership

Issue Date 07/10/2017

Expire Date 07/31/2021

This license is expired and not able to contract at this time.

This license is exempt from having workers compensation insurance; they certified that they have no employees at this time.

Additional Status

The license will need a contractors bond to renew active or reactivate.



https://troublefreepoolservice.com/

The “Testimonials” seem to be fake because the pictures associated with them as “Clients” are just stock photos copied from online sources.

Based on the available information, would you do business with this company?

What additional information could you check and would you check?epic fiberglass.pngJane Smith.png

Client "Jane Smith" is just a stock photo and probably a fake review.



Michael Fidanni also seems to be a stock photo and probably a fake testimonial.
 
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Welcome back from space, I hope the reentry wasn’t too rough. I hear it can get kind of warm from all the friction. Nice work on those telescope images … the alignment process must have been super-tedious. Did the rubber mallet I suggested help in getting some of the segment mirrors aligned? Did you find the care package I had them load up during pre-flight checks? It was supposed to have Snicker bars and Yoo-hoo’s in it …

Great write up … thanks. Welcome home 👍
 
Nice research, James. And welcome back on planet earth 🌎

To round it off, here the results of an image search for the third "client", Lori Morgan:

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So, in case you need "Live Advice", you now know who not to ask...
 
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Let me guess: Has that webpage been created by the same guys?
Probably.

Apparently, the people need quite a lot of home services and they are easily impressed.

"Wow, I called Larry's Plumbing and he came right out and replumbed my entire house in 3 hours and it only cost $10.00 - True Story - Mike Smith"

Note that the FTC considers the posting of fake reviews to be illegal and they can take action against anyone who posts fake reviews.
 
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One way to tell a fake review is the implausible level of enthusiasm.

"Not only did Larry replace my water heater, he also did my taxes, cleaned my teeth, gave me a haircut, baked me some fresh delicious chocolate chip cookies, mowed my lawn and read me a bedtime story. Larry is the smartest, strongest, most handsome and nicest person ever. I totally trust Larry and you can too. In fact, I can't wait until something else breaks and I can call him again. - Stacy K."

Um, ok "Stacy", that review seemed totally real and not fake at all.
 

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How much I look into a company is directly proportional to how much I stand to lose with them. In my experience, fake reviews and testimonials are a PLAGUE on Google, Yelp, etc. I do NOT trust any testimonials on the company' site ever. No exceptions. As for Google and Yelp, I have a few guidelines:

1. Reviews that use the names of the employees are immediately suspect. How often do you remember the name of the receptionist who answered the phone, or even the technician who showed up? Maybe I'm just really bad with names, but it's RARE for me. I typically discard these opinions.

2. Reviews coming from a user with less than 2-3 reviews are ignored. If they have a number of reviews, look at the places they have reviewed. Are they a reviewbot who is submitting reviews for companies all over the US? Probably suspect. Is the name of the reviewer Chuck Steak, yet the reviews are for nail salons and Women's Fitness Express? Probably also fake.

3. Look at their review history again. Do they only ever give out glowing reviews along the lines of "Stacy answered the phone and she was SO KIND. I immedately felt relief knowing I was talking to TRUE PROFESSIONALS. Then, the technician, Slab Bulkhead, showed up and after he finished grooming my dog, he quickly got my pool up and running. His partner, Dirk Hardpec, helped my son with his math homework and then got me a great government rebate for the variable speed pump I installed." Very few people are this impressed by every single company they interact with.

Remember that buying reviews is BIG business that rakes in millions of dollars.
 
James,
Welcome Back! Great Post!

We just went through a serial pool builder scam here in Palm City Stuart area.There's a long of people that gave him $4OK or move. It takes a little effort to check contractor's out but theres a long list of people in my area that won't ever be so careless again.

Chris
 
Note that the FTC considers the posting of fake reviews to be illegal and they can take action against anyone who posts fake reviews.
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Go get 'em tiger. Post results...
 
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Its disappointing and sad to read this sort of post about the industry.

It makes it difficult for honest people to make a living when this sort of thing is still happening. I wonder if one of the checks maybe to mention in passing at a pool store and note the comments? Trouble is this could be biased to start, however it may save some time if so and so is considered a crook.
 
James,

Another great warning to all. I'd say this applies equally to OB's seeking subcontractors as well. Many have seen my posts encouraging people to resist the temptation to focus only on the fun part of pool building that is all design and specifications and colors and materials... Great fun but less than half the job in my opinion. Doing the hard work to learn about construction contracting and how to execute a contractor search plus how to get a fair contract in place can avoid the disasters we all see on the news.

Thanks for posting this. Also, in fairness to the many great builders out there I'd like to make sure I mention there are fantastic builders plus subs and it's up to the owners to find them and verify they got one.

Chris
 
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What he did to/for them, he is VERY likely to do the same to/for you.
That depends on how many builds they had going on. If it was 50, and you ask to talk to 2 of them, it'd be real easy for the PB to pick 2 that went great. :ROFLMAO:

If it's only a couple builds recently, it would be a much better judge.
 
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