Dual Heat Pumps on LI?

Evaporation causes about 50% of all energy loss in a pool.

Convection accounts for about 15-25% of total energy loss in a pool.

Thermal Radiation accounts for about 20-30% of the total heat loss in a pool.

Conduction energy loss accounts for about 5% of a pool’s energy loss.
 
It is interesting that the heat loss at 80 air temp and 80 water temp is greater than zero since the air and water are at the same temperature.

That might be due to evaporation and radiation.

You also have heat coming in from the sun during the day, so it is complicated.
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I’m thinking there are a lot of great points and counterpoints made in this thread, here’s a bit more, my idea of a “summary”…. I’m thinking that once you wade through the great heat loss estimates from @JamesW and others, and related efficiency specs for heat pumps running in cooler weather, you still net out with a system that extends the swim season by some small amount – at best perhaps a few weeks on either end – until the costs and ability to recover become untenable. If one moves forward to gain those “extra extended weeks” (or buys a heater strictly for spa use), then we have these other remaining decisions.

On Parallel Vs Series Plumbing: I think the design considerations are quite different when comparing a small residential system that has one or two electric heat pumps and a single water pump - compared to a large system, perhaps commercial that might have up to four heaters and multiple 5HP and/or 7.5HP pumps. For that small residential system I’m still in the camp that prefers series plumbing, for all the reasons noted, especially the cost of getting the needed flow (eg multiple pump costs, pump runtime costs on high speed, etc.).

But it’s a great point being made about warranty and code compliance when you choose series plumbing against manufacturer recommendations. If I were heading that direction I might just buy used heaters that are already off-warranty, plan on doing repairs myself, and wing it about the risks of code compliance. However, there are some important safety considerations. First, no spa (or pool) should ever be heated above 104F, for swimmer safety and for heater safety. So, a provision needs to be made for when the input to heater #1 is 104F, both heaters need to stop. I guess that logic is kinda built in to heater #1, and heater #2 would cut off much earlier. Would have to think through all that logic for various conditions, especially that you want both heaters running until the pool hits desired temp. Some cheap $20 automation might assist, sensing the actual pool temp. When children are “at play” the recommendation is max of 94F, (again for spa mode)and that would be trickier to control, given each heater might raise the temp 7 or even 9 degrees. Not sure how to solve that problem in temp settings.

Beyond the max temperature issue are other things…. Initially I thought it was insanely clever of you @JamesW to consider driving heater #2 from the low voltage contactor signals of heater #1. But that would need to consider at least three safety devices in heater #2 – the water follow/pressure switch, and the high and low refrigerant pressure cutoff sensors. Those three sensors in heater 2 would need to remain in the path of any contactor feed from heater 1 to heater 2 (especially the high refrigerant pressure cutoff, but really all three). By the time you design around all that, maybe you do go parallel, with all the higher costs of high speed pumps to get the flow 😊

About covers: I guess I’m biased living in the South where covers are helpful here too but not quite as necessary, especially to try and get still greater season extension at lower cost. But there is plenty written in TFP about the downside experience of covers. Like most folks I know in this area that tried covers, we found them ruining the appearance of things, ruinous also of any spontaneity, and that they only last a couple years before they fall apart. Then the worst part about spontaneity is that you despise the removal and replacement for each swim, so you end up not swimming much. Everyone I know, including me, threw away the covers and either pay for more heat or a shorter season, or some combination of that.

Don’t know if I clarified anything! Just thoughts, oh well.
 
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Without a cover, it's going to be outrageous to heat in the extended season either way. I didn't know any better at first and had mine chugging along in the 80s in the fall. The first cool night I left for work at 6AM and the yard looked like a horror movie the fog was so thick. Naturally, my rear neighbors house must have been on fire and I raced around back and lol'd that he was ok. It happened a couple more times before I got used to it. We didn't realize the 2 month bill was an estimate when we got it and thought we made a great purchase. The Nov/Dec bill had the $600 Sept and $800 Oct corrections on it and almost killed Christmas.

I had a reel and a cover in the garage long before opening in the spring. It cut the bill in half. 5 years later we decided the cost and effort wasn't worth it and stopped the cover and HP.

With a gas heater, we could turn it off and not be concerned about overcoming the temp differences if we wanted a swim weekend. Say it cost $175 so my daughter could have an Oct birthday swim party. It would have been worth every penny for that. Or friends came to visit and we fired it up. (Etc etc). If i get another heater it will be gas and I'll happily take the lumps when we choose to use it.

But OP particularly wants the regular season help to take a little of the edge off, so the HP is still on the table IMO.

So with all the talk about upgrading the home electric, running two feeds and installing two HPs, what about one of each? PV solar will still help down the road mid season and the raw power of the NG heater will be available if they want to swim late.
 
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With a gas heater, we could turn it off and not be concerned about overcoming the temp differences if we wanted a swim weekend. Say it cost $175 so my daughter could have an Oct birthday swim party. It would have been worth every penny for that. Or friends came to visit and we fired it up. (Etc etc). If i get another heater it will be gas and I'll happily take the lumps when we choose to use it.
Agreed - Having heater(s) is so very great even if only for these special events, in my opinion. And/or for heating a spa. I do also like the "one of each" (NG & HP) solution, so you have the extra BTU power if needed - either to overcome having let it get cold, and/or for a quicker spa heat.
The idea is to use a second relay to control the Fireman's Switch for the second heater
I missed that fine point on the first read-through, thanks for clarifying @JamesW !
 
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