DE Sediment Normal?

DBissett

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Aug 11, 2022
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Houston
Pool Size
25000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
CircuPool RJ-60 Plus
So I totally cleaned out the Pentair DE filter last week for the first time, recharged with the recommended 6 pounds of DE and turned on the Dolphin the next day. The Dolphin filter had a lot of white sandy sediment in it, like in the photo, and this has continued all week through three more cycles. Is this normal? Does the DE have that much extra filler in it for packing purposes? Thanks.Dolphin.jpg
 
So I totally cleaned out the Pentair DE filter last week for the first time
It's possible you didn't install something correctly. I once failed to properly install the air relief strainer on the center pipe and turned my pool into a snow globe. Which filter do you have?
 
It's possible you didn't install something correctly. I once failed to properly install the air relief strainer on the center pipe and turned my pool into a snow globe. Which filter do you have?
It's a Pentair FNS Plus 60. The grids all looked fine and I was careful to reassemble everything tight, or so I thought. I will try muriatic acid on it tomorrow to see if it's scale. Funny thing is this happened when I first used the Dolphin in February, about 6 months after I bought the pool/house. The basket caught a lot of white sediment several times, which gradually decreased and eventually stopped. I haven't seen this for months, until I cleaned the filter and recharged it. Also, this sediment is heavy, i.e. not suspended....the water is clear....the Dolphin is picking this up off the bottom and/or sides. Also, it's very gritty, like sand.
 
Doesn't sound like DE to me.
Today I dropped some muriatic acid on the sediment and it reacted big time...fizzed and bubbled. So I guess it's calcium. I'm stumped as to why it suddenly appeared. So far the Dolphin has probably captured two cups of sediment or more....it appears to be decreasing now.
 
Okay, they are calcium based, so great job on the filter :p

It's possible the calcium flakes are related to your SWG, but they appear more gritty than what I'm used to seeing. I've seen it before, but I can't place the source. Maybe @mknauss or @Texas Splash can stop by and provide some guidance.

Please post a set of test results, including water temp. Your pool logs link is not working.
 
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That will happen if you let the PH stay high for too long. Can't see your poolmath logs for some reason.
The SWG was recently installed, which prompted the filter cleaning because I wanted to start with a clean system. Also, the pool has done this before so I think we can rule out the SWG being the source. OTOH, the Ph has been creeping up badly during the summer and I haven't checked it daily since installing the SWG to manage the chlorine, so the Ph has hit 8 periodically and I've been adding acid probably twice a week so it hasn't stayed high a long time. And this calcium sediment hit suddenly, like over night. I last added acid two days ago when it read 8.0. I aim for 7.4 and when I tested last night that's what it was. The TA is low though, at 50, so today I'm adding baking soda to bring that up. Maybe that's why the acid was bouncing?
 

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Something doesn't sound right. Low TA usually means more stable pH and slow pH rise. How did your TA get so low? What's the TA/pH of your fillwater? Aeration would result in pH rise and adding MA would reduce pH and TA. Does your pool have lots of aeration? Did you previously used tablets?

Please post a full set of results.
 
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Here is the log from last night....don't know why the link isn't working either.....
FC - 12.5 (this is staying high in spite of turning the SWG down, maybe because of somewhat cooler weather)
Ph - 7.6
TA - 60
CH - 270
CYA - 50
Temp - 88
Salt - 3400
CSI ; -47

Sediment in Dolphin decreasing.
 
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I see nothing in you test results that indicates a tendency for scale. If these numbers are representative of normal levels, I have no idea where the scale is coming from.

Sorry...here's a bump to get more eyes on the thread.
 
I see nothing in you test results that indicates a tendency for scale. If these numbers are representative of normal levels, I have no idea where the scale is coming from.

Sorry...here's a bump to get more eyes on the thread.
Thanks for looking. It is a mystery. My Ph tends to rise and the CH tends to fall because our water district removes calcium. I recently tested the fill water for the first time and the result was 70 ppm. Since buying the pool a year ago I've had to add calcium to keep the CH in the recommended range. Could there be a tiny bit of calcium in the salt? I put in about 700 lbs of Diamond Crystal salt just before this started.
 
Salt should contain no calcium, but we've seen some recent stories of salt containing contaminants. Your fill water is relatively low in calcium. Keep in mind that calcium does not leave the pool through evaporation. If your numbers are dropping, it's probably a result of overflow from rain or other means of water exchange.

If the scale is subsiding, continue to monitor levels and maintain CSI between 0.0 and -0.30. Your CSI is a bit aggressive now, but as water temps drop, so will CSI. Your TA is good at 60 ppm. My numbers are similar to yours now, and I tend to see flakes from the SWG when TA gets above 80 ppm.
 
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