Intellicenter programming help + leaking diverter valve

[petepool]

I had the main circuit board on my intellicenter replaced due to a short. Once replaced I lost all my programming and had to redo it all. Previously my pool installer had done it a few years ago. Got most of it figured out but still need help.
- How do I program my pressure side cleaner to run during its schedule (11am-2pm) where the pool pump increases to max speed and the booster pump turns on
- I have a deep-end bench seat with "jets". I want to enable a feature where to turn on the jets the following happens: pentair intellivalve switches returns from the normal pool returns to the bench returns, air blower turns on, heat pump turns on. Is there a 1-button feature to do this?

Is there any good tutorials on intellicenter programming steps?

Pictures of my setup below:

 

[Ahultin]

How do I program my pressure side cleaner to run during its schedule (11am-2pm) where the pool pump increases to max speed and the booster pump turns on

1. you would create a Feature circuit for "pool Max speed" under circuits
2. set the pump speed for that circuit under pumps.
3. Create an aux circuit (i assume the booster pump is on a relay) for the booster.
4. create a circuit group that includes both of those.
5. Schedule the new circuit group for desired time

I have a deep-end bench seat with "jets". I want to enable a feature where to turn on the jets the following happens: pentair intellivalve switches returns from the normal pool returns to the bench returns, air blower turns on, heat pump turns on. Is there a 1-button feature to do this?

1. you should have an aux circuit for air blower
2. Create a feature circuit for bench returns which triggers the valve and have heater status as on
3. Create a circuit group with 1 and 2 included

 

[ajw22]

- How do I program my pressure side cleaner to run during its schedule (11am-2pm) where the pool pump increases to max speed and the booster pump turns on

Note that with a MASTER CLEANER there is a 5 minute delay from when you turn on the circuit to when it actually turn on. That is to give the filter pump time to prime and begin running if it was not already on.

Is the AUX the cleaner booster pump is connected to set as MASTER CLEANER and SHOW AS FEATURE?



Then go to the PUMPS page and add a CIRCUIT, select CLEANER, and set the speed you want the filter pump to run at when the cleaner is running.



Then create a schedule when you want to run the cleaner...



And you have CLEANER as one of the circuits to manually turn on...

 

[petepool]

Thanks both, yes the 5 min delay for Master Cleaner is definitely what tricked me. I opened up the panel could not figure out why when I enabled that feature, the circuit board didn't light up for the relay (Aux 1) and the booster didn't start. Thought it was a defective relay.

I understand there's no built in setting to eliminate the Master Cleaner delay, so i'll just change the feature to Generic to eliminate the delay. This will probably require a dedicated feature for the pump speed to increase to max (as ahultin states above), since with Master Cleaner the pump knows to increase its speed automatically (based on the pump speed presets). Any downsides to this? I prefer to have no delay (or like a 10 second delay), which is helpful for testing and other one-off purposes. My cleaner is scheduled to run in the middle of the day when the pool is otherwise running.

Will report back.

Also, I have a separate diverter valve issue as you can see in the pics above (changed my post title to reflect this). The valve is right after the pool pump before the filter and allows me to remove water from the pool to waste. That waste section has started leaking when the pool runs, even with the diverter fully closed to waste (you can see the puddle below it in the pic). This also means air is entering the system through there when the pool is running. What is the recommended fix?

thanks

 

[ajw22]

That waste section has started leaking when the pool runs, even with the diverter fully closed to waste (you can see the puddle below it in the pic). This also means air is entering the system through there when the pool is running. What is the recommended fix?

Did you try wiggling the valve handle to make sue the diverter is perfectly seated?

Open up the valve and examine why the diverter is not sealing.

You may need to replace the diverter.

 

[petepool]

Thanks I'll open it up and investigate. Best place to buy diverter replacement? How's this https://www.amazon.com/Pentair-270056-Diverter-Assembly-Replacement/dp/B004HH1BIC

 

[ajw22]

Thanks I'll open it up and investigate. Best place to buy diverter replacement? How's this https://www.amazon.com/Pentair-270056-Diverter-Assembly-Replacement/dp/B004HH1BIC

Looks fine.

 

[petepool]

Thanks for your help. The circuit groups are now functioning properly for the cleaner and the bench seat jets. Although I don't see an option on any of the circuits to get the heat pump to turn on with the jets (may be related to issue below).

Regarding the diverter, I took it apart and didn't see any obvious signs of failure. Added some pool lube to all rubber pieces and reassembled, but it still leaks slightly. Picture below. Can you see anything that shows it needs to be replaced?

Separate programming issue - my UltraTemp heat pump. I can't get it to communicate with the intelliencer so that it turns on when the panel calls for heat. The heat pump also has its own small display and buttons, so i'm not sure if that controls it or if the intellicenter tells it what to do. Before I replaced the circuit board on the panel it was working fine and turned on when the panel called for heat. What should I look for?

thanks

 

[Ahultin]

Easiest solution for the diverter would be glue an fip adapter on the open end of your discharge and cap it with an mip plug.
For your ultratemp, is it setup in the intellicenter as a heater? Was it connected via fireman's switch or rs485?

 

[ajw22]

Before I replaced the circuit board on the panel it was working fine and turned on when the panel called for heat. What should I look for?

Where did you get the new circuit board from?

You sure the board was a genuine Pentair board?

You still have the old board?

 

[petepool]

Easiest solution for the diverter would be glue an fip adapter on the open end of your discharge and cap it with an mip plug.

Thought of that but issue then is my backwash hose wouldn't fit over it. See below. How about coupling one of these PVC ball valves to the existing pipe: https://www.supplyhouse.com/Bluefin...7A8N9APSlkkEV7BOmlF4jFJlm-zrosYUaAgM3EALw_wcB

Could then add 6" of additional PVC after the valve for the hose. Any issues?

Regarding the heater:
- It is set up a heater in intellicenter. Under Settings > system config > Other equipment > Heater, the Ultratemp is set up with same Address as pool (#1).
- Connected via RS 485. Pictures below.
- Circuit board replaced by pentair-authorized pool company under warranty. Pictures below. Should be authentic. Do not have old board. When they tested it after replacement heat pump fired up, but now I can't replicate it. For future issues, I prefer to understand the entire system myself rather than calling them back.

 

[ajw22]

- It is set up a heater in intellicenter. Under Settings > system config > Other equipment > Heater, the Ultratemp is set up with same Address as pool (#1).

Manual is at https://www.pentair.com/content/dam...ser-docs/intellicenter-installation-guide.pdf

See page 45.

Did you say it was an UltraTemp and assign it to Pool and Spa?

HEATERS
Tap Yes then Next to configure a new heater (Tap No then Next to continue to Configure Pumps).
Create: Tap Create then Next to select a new heat source type (Gas (MasterTemp, Max-E-Therm and
ETi250), Solar, Heat Pump, UltraTemp or Hybrid) and configure the selected heat source settings.
Heater Name: Enter a name for the heater.
Affiliated Body: Pool, Spa, or Pool and Spa.

Modify: Tap Modify then Next to display the list of configured heaters. Tap New Pump to add a heat source.
From this screen you can add or delete a heat source from the list. When finished with setting up heater
source settings, tap Next to continue to the Configure Valves screen.

+ Add Heater: Tap Add Heater to display the available heaters. When finished configuring up the heater
settings. Tap Next to continue to the Configure Remotes screen.

 

[petepool]

Yes, it's set up there. Assigned just to pool since i don't have a spa.

Other data. When I go to panel on heat pump and set relay to off, it fires up fine.

 

[ajw22]

It looks to me like your HP is connected to the GAS HEATER socket in the corner of the board and not a RS-485 connection.

Look carefully at the wiring and the manuals.

 

[ajw22]

Your control wire is connected to POOL & COM spade connections on the HP board and not the RS-485 connection.

Tell the IntelliCenter your heater is a gas heater and it should work. Set RELAY back on, which is what this HP connection uses.

 

[Ahultin]

It looks to me like your HP is connected to the GAS HEATER socket in the corner of the board and not a RS-485 connection.

Look carefully at the wiring and the manuals.

Good catch - that does indeed look to be the case, connected to j10/j11 on the ultratemp board instead of j8.
Also, isn't there something about needing either a sensor or resiter connected to the solar temp port on the ic when used with ultratemp?

 

[ajw22]

Also, isn't there something about needing either a sensor or resiter connected to the solar temp port on the ic when used with ultratemp?

Only if using the RS-485 control.

When you connect the UltraTemp to Pentair automation using the RS-485 data connection you need to add a solar temperature sensor in addition to the air and water temperature sensors. Solar temperature sensor could be left loose in load center. The automation system does not use the temperature reading but just looks for resistance.

A 10K resistor will work, and is less expensive, or a temperature sensor.

Pentair UltraTemp Heat Pump - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

 

[petepool]

thanks this makes a lot more sense. I know the wiring wasn't changed when the board was swapped, so this is how my PB must have set it up originally (ie, not via RS 485 so i was wrong about that).

So this begs the question is there any advantage to switching to RS-485 instead of the spade terminals (assuming I add a solar temp sensor)?

 

[ajw22]

If your HP has heating/cooling you need RS-485 control to switch between.

I think RS-485 gives you diagnostic messages on the IntelliCenter.

Basic heating control works equally well with either connection.

 

[petepool]

Thanks. I still don't see a way to tell my HP to turn on automatically when I turn on the jets feature.