First post: Just finished Ascorbic Acid wash (didn't work) and new to chemical testing

HFD_Chase

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Jul 4, 2022
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Houston, TX
Pool Size
35000
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Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Hello everyone, first post here and I apologize for the length. I've been having the local pool store do my chemical tests and I recently got the TF-PRO kit to start working on it myself. Some numbers are close and some are different so I'm not sure whose are right.🧐 I posted them at the bottom. I have a 35,000 gallon plaster pool located in Houston, TX w/ full sun. Water temp is 93* even with the aeration from the spillover hot tub. 🥵

I just did an ascorbic acid treatment to try and get rid of the staining in my pool but it was a no-go. My chlorine is at 0 and PH is at 7. My CYA is 40-70 depending on whose test is accurate (it was at 125 last week and I got it down after learning about it here). I did try rubbing a vitamin C tablet on the stain and didn't feel like it did anything but went ahead with the treatment anyway. I also filled a sock with citric acid before trying the AA and placing that on a spot and may or may not have had an effect but I wasn't sure enough.

I followed the AA treatment instructions and got my chemical levels where they needed to be and added 4 lb of AA around the perimeter of the pool and thrown some in the middle over the area of the stain. I waited about an hour with no change in the stain and tossed in the remaining 4 lb's of AA I had for a total of 8 lbs for 35k gallon pool. I'm sitting at 24 hours later of running the pump w/ no filters in and now I'm ready (I think) to add my filters and rebalance the chemicals even though it didn't work. The pool is very cloudy now and I can't see the bottom which I read is normal I am adding GLB sequa-sol today(it was all that was available locally and the online options wouldn't be here for a few days) and will wait another 24 hours like the bottle says before adding the rebalance chemicals.

I'm looking for advice on where to start and what numbers to believe. Notably I've mostly seen differences in my TA, CH, and CYA between my readings and the stores over the past few days. Today the biggest difference is on the CH and CYA.

Here are my numbers as of today:
TF-PRO test
FC-0, PH- 7(best guess I had on the color meter), TA 40, CH 175, CYA 70.
Pool store test using Taylor's sureTREAT
FC-0, PH- 6.9, TA 51, CH 300, CYA 40

I have lots of Sodium bicarb on hand and liquid chlorine. I know I need to bring up chlorine levels slowly. I'm thinking add 13.5 lbs of bicarb (1 costco bag), and about 1 gallon of liquid chlorine and going from there. Am I doing this correctly?

Should I try anything else for the stains before fixing my chemical levels?

My paradise (with large stain visible) 20220709_170638.jpgPrior to trearment20220709_155529.jpg12 hours after treatment at night with pool light on20220711_221436.jpg
Cloudy 24 hours after treatmentCloudy 24 hours after treatment
 
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Welcome to TFP! :wave: Summer is a bad time to try an AA simply due to the possibility of getting algae when the FC is low, and it looks like you have algae. But first I would say yes, add some baking soda to get the TA up to about 60. That should help increase the pH on its own to 7.2 or perhaps slightly above. Your spillway will help as well. As for the chlorine, start increasing it. The sooner the better. Since Vitamin C and the AA did nothing, I suspect your staining is organic or possibly organic with scale. Increase the FC to about 5-6 ppm for now. Try to keep it steady in that area.

Once you get the FC up to about 5-6 ppm, try to keep it there today and consider doing an Overnight Chlorine Loss Test this evening if you can. Let's be sure you have no algae. If you fail the OCLT, then the next step is the SLAM Process. Good job testing your own water. No need to go to the pool store to validate your testing. We trust your numbers before theirs.

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Welcome to TFP! :wave: Summer is a bad time to try an AA simply due to the possibility of getting algae when the FC is low, and it looks like you have algae. But first I would say yes, add some baking soda to get the TA up to about 60. That should help increase the pH on its own to 7.2 or perhaps slightly above. Your spillway will help as well. As for the chlorine, start increasing it. The sooner the better. Since Vitamin C and the AA did nothing, I suspect your staining is organic or possibly organic with scale. Increase the FC to about 5-6 ppm for now. Try to keep it steady in that area.

Once you get the FC up to about 5-6 ppm, try to keep it there today and consider doing an Overnight Chlorine Loss Test this evening if you can. Let's be sure you have no algae. If you fail the OCLT, then the next step is the SLAM Process. Good job testing your own water. No need to go to the pool store to validate your testing. We trust your numbers before theirs.

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Cool man, thanks for the reply. I brushed the pool earlier and added the sequa-sol and put my filters back in. I won't be able to add the baking soda or Chlorine until tomorrow since I had to leave and work overnight. I imagine it'll clear up quite a bit still with my filters back in place. I did see algea so it's definitely there.

I was planning on keeping the FC around 2 or so for the next week like what I had read but are you saying 5-6 because of the algea? So don't go slow on it and dump it all in tomorrow to get it up?

I will definitely fail the OCLT due to the AA eating it up either way right?
 
I was planning on keeping the FC around 2 or so for the next week like what I had read but are you saying 5-6 because of the algea? So don't go slow on it and dump it all in tomorrow to get it up?
Here at TFP we reference the FC/CYA Levels. Find your current CYA and what the FC should be. Also take note of the SLAM tab and what a SLAM FC level should be to kill and remove algae.
 
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You tha man, thanks dude. Hopefully I'll be cleared up again in the next few days. Bummer about my stains not coming out but it is what it is. I suppose the next best option would be an acid wash but I don't plan on draining the pool anytime soon. Here's another pic of staining on the steps. Also another project to be worked on is this junk on the tile of the spa, I believe it's efflorescence from my research yesterday. Again though, I don't plan on draining the pool so won't do the bead blasting. It'll have to be scrubbing and manual labor to get it off.
 

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Tell you what. Let's get that water crystal clear first then address the stains. The crystal clear water might drive you nuts when you can see all the imperfections :crazy: but at least you'll have crystal water. We can try a couple stain tricks later.
 
No change in the water appearance today. Yesterday I was able to add 13.5 pounds of bicarb and 5 gallons of 10.5% chlorine. I added the first 2.5 gallons about an hour after the bicarb, approx 5pm. The second 2.5 gallons was added last night around 10:30pm. I checked my FC before adding the 2.5 gallons and I was at 2ppm. This morning I am at 8ppm. I have no idea what my pH is because I suck at reading the little color meter, I think it's around 7.5-7.8. I hate the more subjective tests like that one and CYA. I feel like they aren't accurate and just guesses for me.

So much for following directions and going up slowly with my chlorine :ROFLMAO:
 
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Now remember, with cloudy water (algae) your FC should be at the SLAM level of 28. Anything lower with that CYA of 70 and you don't have the correct ratio of chlorine to stabilizer to address the algae. Maintaining the proper FC with liquid chlorine is key to progress.
 
Now remember, with cloudy water (algae) your FC should be at the SLAM level of 28. Anything lower with that CYA of 70 and you don't have the correct ratio of chlorine to stabilizer to address the algae. Maintaining the proper FC with liquid chlorine is key to progress.
Okay so this morning my FC=8, tonight it was at 0 so I'll have to SLAM. I can get the liquid chlorine in the morning and add the amount to get to 28 which according to the calculator is a little over 9 gallons of 10.5% so I'll likely do 10 to keep it easy. I see that I'll have to continually check my levels and add chlorine as needed throughout.

My questions after that is... Am I adding chlorine to keep it the 28 and if so for how long do I stay at that number or am I just adding enough to keep it at the target FC level of 8-10 according to my CYA after the initial hit of 28? Is starting the process in the morning on a 100* day a bad idea or should I hit it initially at night when the sun won't break down the chlorine as much?

I'll also recheck the CYA tomorrow. Pool store got 40 and I got 70. Theirs was w/ the automatic test and I just realized after more reading that I wasn't doing mine correctly. I was inside and not that great of lighting so I'll check it tomorrow outside in the sunlight. Hopefully it's lower like their number but either way the extra chlorine won't hurt the process I imagine.
 
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Am I adding chlorine to keep it the 28 and if so for how long do I stay at that number
You do your best to maintain that elevated FC SLAM number until you pass all 3 SLAM criteria listed on the SLAM Process page. Doesn't matter when you start, but usually the sooner the better so the algae doesn't get worse. If you find your own CYA to be different after todays test under good lighting outside, then just go back to the FC/CYA Levels (SLAM Tab).
 
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So I'm working on the SLAM and I forgot to grab acid while I was out. My ph was at +/- 7.6ish prior to starting. Should I grab some on my next chlorine run and add it while I'm slamming to lower ph?
 
Well.... I'm 30 gallons of liquid chlorine in so far. My wallet hurts 😭. It's just about looking like it did before I tried fixing the stains 🙄. Hopefully tonight I pass the OCLT.
Now I'm just back to stains and a lot less money 😂😂. Tomorrow I'll be picking up another 10 gallons. Hopefully the 2 gallons that I have left will get me through the night. I'm beginning to feel like I should have grabbed one of those hated/loved PoolRx's to throw in just to kill all the algae then switched back away from it. Would have been cheaper.

Oh....and I'll be heading out of town for a week next weekend and it'll probably go back to Crud 😂
 
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This is just a horrible time of year for an AA treatment. It's so hot that even with a good Poly 60 algaecide, the likelihood of algae during the transition back to regular balancing increases quite a bit. Once the water goes cloudy there's no other choice other than increasing the FC level to eradicate the algae. Most of those pool store products won't help and can actually use-up some of your free chlorine. If you pass the OCLT tonight (fingers crossed) just ride-out the season with the stains and enjoy your water. You can always address the stains again around Jan-Feb when our water temps seem to be the coldest. Good luck tonight!
 
Thanks man! Quick question if you're around. I have an FC of 20 right now. SLAM level is 22. Should I add the recommended amount of LC to increase to 22 or leave it at 20 and see where I'm at in the morning for the oclt? If I pass it should be around 19 right?
 
SLAM level is 22. Should I add the recommended amount of LC to increase to 22 or leave it at 20 and see where I'm at in the morning for the oclt? If I pass it should be around 19 right?
This close to the (hopefully) end of the SLAM it may not matter that much, but if it's not too late I'd go ahead and increase the FC just to be safe. Be sure the water has enough time to mix well though. If not, you may have to just leave it and see how the OCLT goes.
 
Cool, I'll throw it in and check again around 7am or so and let you know where I'm at. It's only asking for 2 quarts so not much either way.

Do I need to check again tonight after adding the 2 quarts or just play it out
 
Do I need to check again tonight after adding the 2 quarts or just play it out
Ideally yes. That's why the additional run time to let it mix thoroughly. So unless you plan on staying up for another hour or so it may not be in the cards. Totally your call though. If you decide to just confirm the FC now and leave it, I'd understand. You've been at this for a while.
 
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I was just about to say disregard that, I read over it again and saw it said to test again. I'll be up. Added half gallon and will retest in an hour or so and then leave it alone running over night again.
 

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