Relationship Questions

Btrimble

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May 24, 2021
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Northern California
Hi,
I'm trying to understand some of the relationships and have a few questions.
CYA - It's my understand that CYA helps stabilize chlorine so that the sun doesn't eat too much of it. So does that mean that different pools would need different amounts of CYA in order to do the job. I'm thinking of my pool who gets full sun all day until the sun goes down. I think we have about 2 hours of daylight that it gets shade. I would need a higher CYA level than someone who has shade for most of the day. The reason I ask is that my PB put CYA in but my pool wouldn't hold chlorine. He added chlorine and had tabs in the chlorinator but when I tested it, I had 0 FC. We did this for a couple of weeks. He added some more which brought me to 60 and now it's holding chlorine.

Alkalinity/pH - I think Alkalinity is like the gate keeper for pH. Sort of the same relationship as CYA and chlorine. I have a new pool and was told that my pH will want to go high. I'm fighting that now. Alkalinity should be 60-80 but it seems like it's always 90-100. I don't add chemicals everyday but I do test everyday. The pool math app tells me to target my pH to 7.0-7.2 to lower the Alkalinity and then aerate pH back up. I do that but only get an Alkalinity of 90. I think I just need to keep doing that until I hit my target Alkalinity. Can I do that everyday or do I need to wait a couple of days to get a more accurate reading? Also, once I get my Alkalinity down, will it stay there or will I need to keep fighting because it's a new pool? How long before it settles?

Chlorine/pH - This one I'm confused about. Someone on a Facebook group said that if your pH is high that will make your chlorine ineffective. No, I don't believe everything that I read in that group because there's a lot of them giving advice without knowing any of the chemistry or size of the pool. But this is something that I've read a few times and was hoping that someone could verify or debunk it.
 
A few quick points:
- No FC is never good. It's a precursor to algae. You should consider doing an Overnight Chlorine Loss Test to rule out algae.
- As long as the TA isn't below 40, there is a lot of flexibility. The main concern is for pH stability.
- FC doesn't really impact pH unless it's really high which can skew the pH to be higher. Any other chemical effects are minimal to our pool care processes.

Take a look at these TFPC videos for more info.




 
Deleted most of my post, splash gave better answers anyway! 😃

curious as to CYA level when it wouldn’t hold chlorine…shouldn’t have to raise to 60 cya to hold it. Unless PB only using tabs to add CL? Then it probably wouldn’t raise fast enough. Are you using liquid chlorine too or only tabs?
 
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Yes the idea CYA is relative to individual pool conditions but there are good guidelines, depending upon your chlorine sanitation method. 30ppm CYA is about the minimum for liquid chlorine pools and some have seen FC savings with higher CYA ppm up to 50 - 60. Staying in the target zone or above is key. FC/CYA Levels Using a good test kit allows pool owners to determine their daily FC loss and watch changes relative to higher CYA levels. A good kit also allows you diagnose even low levels of algae that will consume FC Overnight Chlorine Loss Test this may have been your problem at startup.
Salt water pools are a different animal and the minimum is 60ppm with 70ppm the preferred level.

Regarding TA, have you tested your fill water? Constant summer water additions with a high TA source will push your TA and pH up.
 
Deleted most of my post, splash gave better answers anyway! 😃

curious as to CYA level when it wouldn’t hold chlorine…shouldn’t have to raise to 60 cya to hold it. Unless PB only using tabs to add CL? Then it probably wouldn’t raise fast enough. Are you using liquid chlorine too or only tabs?
We were at about 30. He put tabs in the chlorinator and gave an initial dose of liquid chlorine. I was checking levels every other day and it would be 0. My chlorinator only goes up to 1. He had it on 1. I'm wondering if it's percentage and not a ppm release. He added more CYA and after that, I started getting a reading.
 
My well water: TA is 200 and pH is 7.4. We do not have a softener on it.
With a source water TA of 200 and high summer pool water evaporation rate now you can anticipate your situation. Stock up on muratic acid and keep your pH is the low to middle 7s which will lower your TA until you top off again. The good news is as evaporation slows and you are topping off less, maintaining your balance gets easier.
 
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