1st World Problems…FIberglass Pool Manufacturer/Model Selection

JohnnyUtah

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Hey everyone, I live in South Jersey and am a sucker for punishment so I have decided to buy an in-ground pool in this economy.

After researching the pros/cons of different pool types, I have fallen into the Fiberglass pool camp but have quickly realized after getting some “proposals” from nearby PBs, that gunite would be roughly the same price (~80-90k for 600-800 sq ft). I am still convinced Fiberglass would be cheaper long-term, especially since pools are covered for 8 months of the year in NJ anyway so the gelcoat isn’t exposed to elements year round. I also live in the woods so I want to do an auto-cover (I know this would add probably 15k), but I don't know how the pool would stay clean if I didn't have one.

Anyway, San Juan and Thursday dealers near me pretty much have a "can't be bothered/take-it or leave-it" attitude and I have seen scores of people recently posting pictures of their newly installed pools w/ cracked shells from both of these companies lately on FB groups (probably COVID builds and Crud installs but still alarming).

I luckily happen to live minutes away from a Fiberglass pool manufacturer (Dolphin Industries) and have only heard good things about their build quality/reputation but their models are kinda Miami Vice era dated.

My wife is dead set that she has to have a tanning ledge and I am trying to not have 2 bodies of water if possible (separate spillover tanning ledge). We also have two boys (4 & 8) so a turbo-twister waterslide is also a must.

I have a large backyard and want to go with the largest shell with a tanning ledge that I can get which pretty much eliminates almost all of the Dolphin Industries models.

They do have 1 model (Island Beach) that looks like it might work. The obvious difference between the tanning ledge/sun shelf on this model (Island Beach) from the larger manufacturers who have updated their styles is that it is separated from the other section of the pool and evidently has a spillover, although it looks like it is the same elevation, so I don’t know how that would work gravity-wise.

I am pretty much directly comparing this model to the San Juan Great Lakes Beach and the Thursday Aspen models.

Although I haven’t got a quote for the Island Beach, I am guessing that due to proximity and less brand demand (they pretty much do no marketing whatsoever), it would probably be 20-30% less in price (for shell and transport).

The big pro to using the Island Beach is that I can possibly get the manufacturer or someone who works for them to do the install since they are close by.

What are your thoughts on this shell vs the other 2?

Which one would you pick?

Does anyone have the Island Beach or the other 2?

Here are pics for reference:9FC26068-8A19-4633-A00B-379A559E03F8.jpeg12AC1D7B-DADA-42D1-A09D-E0EFB2B1AD3C.jpegD7586732-E583-48D5-9EDF-BFDA2AA7430B.jpeg
 
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No matter what model you go with it is the INSTALLER that is the most important!! If the digger digs the hole right and levels it correctly then the person putting the gravel in the bottom does their job right your pool should be fine. It is not the manufacture of the pool that cracks it. It is the poor/bad installation that cracks it. Just something to think about.
 
No matter what model you go with it is the INSTALLER that is the most important!! If the digger digs the hole right and levels it correctly then the person putting the gravel in the bottom does their job right your pool should be fine. It is not the manufacture of the pool that cracks it. It is the poor/bad installation that cracks it. Just something to think about.
That is extremely helpful and will narrow the decision making drastically.

So that unfortunately eliminates the Thursday Pool Aspen.

The only 2 Thursday Pool dealers me are unexperienced and just became dealers like 2 weeks ago.
 
I was also dead set on doing a fiberglass pool but had the same experience that you had where the price was the same either way once I compared apples to apples. The fiberglass packages sounded great but once I added the finishes and equipment to make it comparable to the gunite route the price was almost identical. I thought speed of installation would sway me but the one I wanted (very similar to the ones you show but with an attached spa) there was like a six month lead time for the shell. So we went with gunite on our second pool as well.
 
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So that unfortunately eliminates the Thursday Pool Aspen.
Ahhhhhhhhh but how much experience do their INSTALLERS have???? You have to not think about the "company" but who does the work for the company. They have subs from just about everything. Most areas only have a couple/few subs for different things (power, plumbing, etc that does all of the work for the different "companies".
 
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I was also dead set on doing a fiberglass pool but had the same experience that you had where the price was the same either way once I compared apples to apples. The fiberglass packages sounded great but once I added the finishes and equipment to make it comparable to the gunite route the price was almost identical. I thought speed of installation would sway me but the one I wanted (very similar to the ones you show but with an attached spa) there was like a six month lead time for the shell. So we went with gunite on our second pool as well.
Yeah, San Juan has no warranty for gelcoat whatsoever, only 25 structural to get it hold water and that’s it.

Thursday Pools said to not use salt with their shell.

I don’t think Dolphin will be around to support a warranty claim.

Fiberglass is definitely no faster than gunite in this market.

The only thing that makes me hesitate from gunite is the roughness on your feet (when compared to vinyl or FG) and the expensive maintenance (replastering/acid wash).
 
The only thing that makes me hesitate from gunite is the roughness on your feet (when compared to vinyl or FG)

Get a polished quartz finish and not any of the pebble finishes.

and the expensive maintenance (replastering/acid wash).

Replastering should be every 15-20 years if you maintain proper water chemistry.

Properly maintained pools NEVER need an acid wash. Acid washing is a lazy fix for poor pool maintenance.
 
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Thursday Pools said to not use salt with their shell
Where did you get that? I have a Thursday pool and the manufacturer does not say to NOT use SWG. From their website


I really like my pool but kimkats is absolutely right it's all about who is installing it.
 
Where did you get that? I have a Thursday pool and the manufacturer does not say to NOT use SWG. From their website


I really like my pool but kimkats is absolutely right it's all about who is installing it.
Yeah they told me they haven't made a formal statement yet (probably because everyone wants a salt pool and they know it will cause people to go to different FB manufacturers who aren't saying that.

I direct messaged them on FB (they answer you right away) after I had a Thursday dealer spend 2 hours at my house and quote me for a Wellspring 40. The dealer had literally just got back from a "new dealers" conference at the Thursday plant in Fortville, IN (this was early July) where they apparently told all the dealers they are strongly discouraging installers to pair SWGs with their shells any longer (they are seeing lots of surface/gelcoat warranty issues in the field and have hundreds of warranty repairs in que). The dealer also told me that Thursday was trying to recruit him to be a warranty repair rep (for fixing cracks) for the Northeast (I guess the dealer thought by sharing that with me, I would trust him more, but it just made be scared that there was that many warranty repair requests going on).

I am not a pool owner yet and have no firsthand knowledge of salt systems, but it made me hesitate to use Thursday when no other FB manufacturer are openly saying to stay away from salt.
 
Interesting. Have never heard SWCG can be bad for fiberglass. In fact had heard the opposite. Guess we'll see
 
Interesting. Have never heard SWCG can be bad for fiberglass. In fact had heard the opposite. Guess we'll see
Think about all the fiberglass boats in the ocean that has salt concentrations 10X our pools.

If salt water was bad for fiberglass we would be hearing about it from boat owners.

Salt water is the convenient boogeyman for any pool problem that can't be explained. Let someone present a scientific chemical basis for salt water damaging the pool gel coat.

And remember that every pool becomes a salt pool over time. Salt is in liquid chlorine and trichor. So however you chlorinate your pool you will be adding salt. And you cannot easily drain a FG pool so the salt will accumulate. This is why discouraging SWGs shows they don't really understand pool water chemistry.

Thurdays Pools problems are more likely due to their pool shell design, the materials they use, or their construction methods. Rather then step up and admit they have QC problems they need to improve they blame it on using a SWG.
 
Hi! I used liquid chlorine last summer while a component of my SWG was on back order. This summer maintenance with the SWG had been so much easier. Since I’m already partial to a gunite pool, I know we aren’t totally aligned, but not being able to have an SWG would be a deal breaker for me if I were in your shoes now
 
Think about all the fiberglass boats in the ocean that has salt concentrations 10X our pools.

If salt water was bad for fiberglass we would be hearing about it from boat owners.

Salt water is the convenient boogeyman for any pool problem that can't be explained. Let someone present a scientific chemical basis for salt water damaging the pool gel coat.

And remember that every pool becomes a salt pool over time. Salt is in liquid chlorine and trichor. So however you chlorinate your pool you will be adding salt. And you cannot easily drain a FG pool so the salt will accumulate. This is why discouraging SWGs shows they don't really understand pool water chemistry.

Thurdays Pools problems are more likely due to their pool shell design, the materials they use, or their construction methods. Rather then step up and admit they have QC problems they need to improve they blame it on using a SWG.
Absolutely agree on the boogeyman. Thing about Thursday's QC that doesn't make sense is that they are considered one of the best manufacturers of FB pools and often trend setters with things like backfill eliminator, Geo-anchoring, angled skimmer etc. Doesn't make sense any way I look at it. So if the quality allegations are true I am certain you are correct in using salt as a scapegoat. My guess is these individual pools having problems with gel coat probably don't know the 1st thing about water chemistry which is causing their problems. I don't have problems and don't anticipate having them and I'm a SWCG guy 1,000%.
 
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Just curious if you made a decision? I had Artistic come out for a site visit for Lake Michigan but I really wanted sun shelf (in preferred dimensions). I know they’re booked out until at least June 2023. I never heard back from the Dolphin dealer after I asked for a quote for a Beach Cove, but that’s okay because that model was too narrow anyway.
 
I have an Imagine Illusion 16x40 in Storm Grey. I absolutely love this pool and I think you would too. It has the tanning ledge built into the pool. You can google imagine pools and send them an email to find a dealer near you. Here are some pics of my pool. The ledge is 16x10 with walk in steps and gives me 35ft of swimming space. I also have the Typhoon water slide. The ledge is roughly 18" deep. At the steps it's about 4.5ft deep with a gradual slope going to 7ft deep. At the ladder. I can just touch the bottom of the pool so it offers a very nice shallow end for youngsters to play and not be too deep. The tanning ledge is enjoyed thoroughly by kids, adults and dogs. In the deep end, it has a sitting bench and a step out on both sides. It's an absolutely gorgeous pool. As kimkats said, these fiberglass pools are only as good as the installers. If you do go with fiberglass, do not use flex pipe for plumbing. Go with sch 40. Oh and Imagine offers a lifetime warranty on the shell.
 

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Absolutely agree on the boogeyman. Thing about Thursday's QC that doesn't make sense is that they are considered one of the best manufacturers of FB pools and often trend setters with things like backfill eliminator, Geo-anchoring, angled skimmer etc. Doesn't make sense any way I look at it. So if the quality allegations are true I am certain you are correct in using salt as a scapegoat. My guess is these individual pools having problems with gel coat probably don't know the 1st thing about water chemistry which is causing their problems. I don't have problems and don't anticipate having them and I'm a SWCG guy 1,000%.
I agree that it’s Not the SWGs, but rather the uniformed consumer that doesn’t know how to use it properly. Here is the text exchange with Thursday….
 

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