When can metals be filtered out?

Metals can only be filtered out when they have precipitated out of solution as larger particles capable of being captured by a filter.

In the case of iron, ferrous iron (Fe2+) is soluble in water at normal pool pH values. Therefore it stays in solution. When ferrous iron is oxidized to ferric iron (Fe3+), the ferric iron is not stable in solution (unless the pH is extremely low) and so it will precipitate out as fine ferric oxide and ferric hydroxide particulates. Those compounds impart a yellow-brown color to water. When ferric iron is present, it can be physically filtered out of water.

However, it is impossible to control scale by simply raising pH and/or adding an oxidizer like chlorine as the metal can form a stain on surfaces just as readily as it will form suspended particulates. Ascorbic acid acts as a reducing agent which converts ferric iron back to its more soluble form, ferrous iron.

Sequestrants can have complex behaviors depending on their formulations. Some, like EDTA and HEDP, work to simply hold metal ions in solution as a stable complex formation. Some polymeric sequestrants work by creating complex formations with metal ions and calcium ions and then those larger complexes come out of solution as precipitates in the filter taking the metal ion out of the water with backwashing. Typically, once a metal ion is sequestered, then it can't be filtered.
 
If you are talking about copper, it doesn't filter out, you have to drain and refill to remove copper. If you have copper stains you remove the stains, putting them back into solution in the water, then you drain and refill.

You can filter out a lot of the iron in water after it has oxidized and turned the water a nasty brown color. If you have a source of iron free water available, once any stains have been removed you can drain and refill. If your source water contains iron and you cannot have water without iron delivered to you, then you can filter out a good quantity of iron when turns brown after adding chlorine.
 
I filtered iron out of my pool by using polyfill in a bucket attached to the return pipe, with the bucket hanging over the edge of the pool. I didn't add anything to the pool to mess with the iron, I just noticed the iron had been oxidized by the chlorine and turned my water a dull green (not algae green) color. I made a post explaining in detail how I did it, but I don't know if anyone has replicated my procedure, nor how well it would work if you've used a sequestrant or ascorbic acid treatment. Figure it can't hurt to try though.
 
What is a good polymeric sequestrant to use so that the iron can be filtered out?

Where can I get some of that JoyfulNoise?

Sorry, missed your response last night.

Jack's Magic has a non-phosphonate product but let me check on a few things first. The polymeric sequestrants are not easy to find as the phosphonate based ones as their use is a little more complicated.

Where are you in the stain treatment process? Do you know what levels of iron you have?
 
About a month ago I used Natural Chemistry Stain Free and Natural Chemistry Metal Free. When the chlorine started to hold, about two weeks ago, staining of the skimmer, eyelets and liner began and is worsening. I have read on here that ProTeam Metal Magic is supposed to be able to help with filtering out metals. Is that a polymeric sequestrant? I know it is an HEDP and supposed to be better than EDTA like Metal Free. Is Jack's Magenta Stuff an Acrylic Acid Co-polymer? Don't know how much iron is in the pool. Thanks!
 
It was Back-to-School parent orientation night for us (my kids start school on Monday), so sorry my response is delayed...oldest is heading to middle school so there's a lot to discuss with his teachers.

Anyway, yes, The Magenta Stuff is a polyacrylic acid sequestering formulation. However, I'm not 100% sure it will do as you desire. My gut feeling is it will act as more of a sequestering agent than a flocculating agent. With all the chemicals you've added so far, it would seem to me that your iron is partially bound up in solution but that it is scaling out slowly over time on the fixtures. That's pretty typical as the white plastic fixtures are the first to show any signs of scaling. It's best to filter iron out when it first colors the water. After it's been treated with sequestering agents, you're kind of stuck with using them on an on-going basis.

I suppose you could try the Magenta Stuff to see if it helps reduce the iron over time, but I wouldn't bet on it. Do you filter the fill water at all to try to remove iron from it before it gets to the pool?
 

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