Sub Poured Muratic Acid On Marble Pavers NOW WHAT ?

parkinsmith

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Clifton Texas, Lake Whitney
So my PB's coping / pavers sub finally came back to finish my 1300 sq ft very white with gray sandblasted marble pavers deck .
He went MIA for two weeks before showing back up to finish and seal the white and gray deck . The deck had sat for two weeks unsealed and had ground in orange sandy loam on it. I told him he had to clean the deck prior to sealing . I saw them out there with the hose and a broom. I told them I had some Palmolive if they needed it to scrub out some of the bad stains. Next thing I know I walk out there an hour later and they are pouring Muriatic Acid RIGHT OUT OF THE JUG onto a wet deck. I saw smoke coming off the deck where they were doing this. . By that time it was too late. They had used 4 gallons of muriatic acid all over the deck, they would spray the hose then put the acid . I said WTH are you doing? They said " you wanted us to get out the stains, don't worry we are wetting the deck first"

My expensive , beautiful mostly white marble is now all splotchy , uneven color with a heck of a lot more gray and now chalky in places and in places it looks oily/shiny but it is dry . They still need to add sand in between the pavers and seal. This is an overlay of pavers on top of concrete sub deck.

Here is the question: do I allow them to come back and seal over this now acid washed splotchy deck , should I let them add the sand ?
OR do I not seal now and wait and try to find a specialist to help me . Plaster is scheduled for Wednesday. I am assuming there is no fix to counteract the effects of the acid ? I just don't want to make anything worse and wonder if sealing the splotchy deck or having them try to add the sand will make it worse. I am really done with these subs , lazy and very poor judgement. PB not much better.

Looking for ideas and direction.
 
The pavers are trashed at this point. Why waste time sealing them when they will need to be all replaced? I’m assuming that your ultimate desire here is to have the pavers look like they were originally …

The sand is simply used to lock the pavers into place so they don’t move. You need to sand them into place or else they’ll lift up and shift around.
 
The pavers are trashed at this point. Why waste time sealing them when they will need to be all replaced? I’m assuming that your ultimate desire here is to have the pavers look like they were originally …

The sand is simply used to lock the pavers into place so they don’t move. You need to sand them into place or else they’ll lift up and shift around.
Thanks for the feedback , no way I can afford to replace 1300 sq ft of marble right now could be awhile it was a huge expense to start with but I undestand your point regarding sealing, it will just and more cost and do nothing for me at this point , it could be a a year or so before I could redo. As far as the sand does the need for it hold true even if on a concrete sub deck ? Have you ever heard of something like this happening before? This really is just over the top .
 
Man I can't offer advice but am so sorry you're going through this. I had a boss once who had a saying for everything. One was "True competence is rare in the world." So right he was. I hope you can get this unscrewed without too much pain.
 
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Isn't the pool and decking under warranty?
The PB had a sub install amd subsequently possibly ruin your deck. That's on the PB and not you.
The build is not even done yet, still needs plaster , I will call the PB in AM but I am not sure they will act . I am trying to get educated as to what the options may be and if there is anyway to counter act the acid other that busting up the deck and starting over. , I always like to be educated before talking to the PB .
 
If it’s just a cosmetic issue rather than the acid causing cracks or other integrity defects is it possible to turn the pavers over? The underside might be stained too but hopefully a different cleaning method, pressure washing perhaps, could be effective. Cheaper than replacing...
 

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No where near as bad but we built a new house and the brick guys came out to do some punch work and were using muriatic acid to wash off some of the brick. They threw a jug of it in my trash can that was on our new concrete driveway that was not completely empty. It ate through the trash can and when I moved it to the side I trailed it all the way. I only figured it out after moving it 30'. I immediately washed it off but it is permanently stained. As far as I know there is no way to get the genie back in the bottle after this has been done they will be stained permanently.

Were the pavers set in mortar over the concrete or just laid dry? If dry set the only thing I can possible think of is trying to pull them all up and flipping them over. This may not work as the acid could have seeped down the seams and stained the underside as well. Other than that it will require starting over.

Very frustrating. We also recently added a MIL suite and spent all this extra money to have stain grade cabinets. There was a miscommunication between our GC and the painter and he primed all the cabinets. We ended up just switching to painted cabinets and the GC made it right cost wise but it will always bother me it was not done correctly. Unfortunately we were under a timeline had to move in a family member and didn't have another 3 months to wait for new cabinets. Always frustrating when someone does not pay attention to details.
 
Surely the PB or subcontractor has public liability insurance, or something to cover mishaps on jobs. It may be he is incompetent but its not your fault the pavers are not as the sample you paid for. They are his responsibility until finished I would think.

Who put the stains or dirt on the pavers?
Should the contractor have covered the pavers in plastic if going MIA for two weeks? Given they are white and unsealed.
Was that MIA planned or an emergency? Or does that mean anything anyway if left exposed.
Find me any practice that suggest wetting the surface before straight acid is poured onto that surface is a good idea. I would have thought 10 maybe 15% acid to water applied via watering can, dirty areas in question agitated with a soft broom, then power washed at 2500psi. That would be my first go. It may need a second or third application of the same process.

Can they be ground and finished to an acceptable level?
 
Surely the PB or subcontractor has public liability insurance, or something to cover mishaps on jobs. It may be he is incompetent but its not your fault the pavers are not as the sample you paid for. They are his responsibility until finished I would think.

Who put the stains or dirt on the pavers?
Should the contractor have covered the pavers in plastic if going MIA for two weeks? Given they are white and unsealed.
Was that MIA planned or an emergency? Or does that mean anything anyway if left exposed.
Find me any practice that suggest wetting the surface before straight acid is poured onto that surface is a good idea. I would have thought 10 maybe 15% acid to water applied via watering can, dirty areas in question agitated with a soft broom, then power washed at 2500psi. That would be my first go. It may need a second or third application of the same process.

Can they be ground and finished to an acceptable level?
The MIA was him taking off on a vacation without telling the PB. I called the PB today to discuss and they said " Oh that's how we always have the decks cleaned" , I said by pouring the acid directly onto the deck after wetting it with a hose ? They said "YES !" WTH ? So the sub was within their process. I did talk to the company where the stone was bought, they are experts , they suggest I do an Alkaline wash ( which they will give me ) after it dries then seal. I am going to try that . No way I can replace the deck , It sits on a concrete subdeck installed with mortar.
 
Pouring straight acid onto a wet surface may not damage certain surfaces like cured concrete, but one shroud not apply the same approach to all surfaces, like stone. Reckon they are being typical PB there of no ownership required.

Good luck with it. Stay close to the suppliers advice.
 
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If you ask any real professional, they will tell you that you never use acid on marble.

That is a universally accepted truth.

It is pure incompetence and malpractice to pour acid on marble.

The people who did the damage or the people who directed their process are responsible for fixing the damage.

The stone can probably be polished.

What is the texture now and what was it before the acid?



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If you ask any real professional, they will tell you that you never use acid on marble.

That is a universally accepted truth.

It is pure incompetence and malpractice to pour acid on marble.

The people who did the damage or the people who directed their process are responsible for fixing the damage.

The stone can probably be polished.

What is the texture now and what was it before the acid?





Hi , I called the PB and they said that is method they use but they then said we don't do a lot of marble just travertine , in essence they stand by their methods. The texture in some places is almost chalk, a chalky look with white splotches where I think they poured the acid , in a few other places it almost looks oily. like splotches of shine but it is dry . The texture before was smooth, not shiny as it is sandblasted white. I called the stone place where it came from , they were hoffiried. They suggest I come and get a non acidic alkaline solution. they have to wash the desk with it to try and normalize the PH trying to rehab the stone, then after it dries go ahead and seal . There is no other option as I can't afford to replace and the PB is a dead end. I am just so done with them . They are to plaster Wednesday , acid wash and fill Thursday . Here are pics of splotches.
 

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Try to find a certified stonemason to see what they advise.

Maybe a polisher can resurface the stones back to an acceptable finish.

The people are clearly incompetent as you just do not pour acid on any type of marble, limestone or travertine.

You will not find a single competent stone person who will agree with pouring acid on these types of stones.

email these two places to see if they have any advice or if they can recommend a qualified and certified mason.

https://masoncontractors.org/certification/

https://texasmasonrycouncil.org/membership-directory/
 
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Here are the pics of the splotches from where it appears they poured the acid , there are also many spots where it looks chalky and some where it looks oily but it is dry . Stone place says I should try a non acidic alkaline wash on the whole deck which they will give to me to try and deal with the stone PH and rehab the stone a bit before I seal it .So I guess I am going to try that .
 

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