sta rite max e therm 400 gas heater blows fireman's fuse when turning on power

I have almost 120 lots at L1, nothing at L2. the wire from L2 traces back to a grounding bar in the pool box.

It looks like I only have that one hot lead coming into heater box, which does not sound correct.

The 120 plug loos like the pins are all connecting.

If I can't get power at both L1 and L2, then I can't check anything else.

I could try and post a couple of pics.
 
How many connections are there on L2?
You should only have 4.
2 white and two red
1 WHITE goes to the transformer
2 WHITE goes to the L2 connection on the ICM
3 RED goes to the blower.
4 RED goes to the power plug.

If you are saying there is a 5th wire? that runs from L2 straight back to the equipment sub panel (with no other connections along the way), and then to the ground (green wires) buss, then, i wont say thats wrong, but it is not the way the manufacturer suggests the heater be hooked up. And it should be disconnected at the L2 side for now.

There is a junction box at the heater with 3 wires from the heater: red, black, and green.
Green is ground
Black is to power in either case (120 or 240V)
Red is to power (240V) Or to white (120V) **

What color plug did you say you have? Red or Black?

** Incoming wires to the heater in a 120V scenario would be, or should be: A COLORED wire, a WHITE wire, and a GREEN wire

Hope that all makes sense...
 
I do not have 5 wires, just the 4.

Yes, I have the 4 wires on right side of terminal board. I only HAVE one hot wire coming into junction box (on heater) from the breaker panel. Wires seem to be connected properly, I pulled the 120V connector apart and looks good. I have blue (hot), white and green wires coming into junction box.

My plug has black wires, if you are talking about the 12 pin connector.

I am starting to think I have a bad ICM box, but thats just a hunch.
 
if you touch your volt meter to points L1 and L2 and get 120V WITH a black plug, that is correct!

Next you need to check for voltage going into the x former. check the white wire and the black wire , you should get that same 120V. You will need to unplug the xformer to get that. Check the NON-xformer side of the plug. if you get voltage, plug it back in, and check for 28~32 volts on the 24VAC portion of the 24VAC/FS PLUG located on the main board. 2 yellow wires nearest the plug next to it. Disconnect the plug and check the plug side, NOT the pins on the board.

if you dont get volts there, the xformer has died.
 
There is zero volts at L2, this has not changed since I have had the issue.

Transformer was replaced 2 weeks ago, but I checked the out going wires; blue and yellow?, and both showed only 8 volts.

There is something bizarre going on and I can't figure it out.
 
How are you testing for voltage at L2? One probe to L2 and the other to the jacket (ground)? If so, that is correct. In a 120V connection, L2 is the neutral, and will have no voltage. Single leg voltage (120V) will only be at L1. I don't know what blue wire you are testing.

This is simple. Apply voltage to the heater. Xformer is connected by a plug, 5 wires. disconnect and probe white wire and black wire (supply side), you should get 120V.
If you dont get voltage, stop. There is a problem with the supply voltage. If you do have voltage, reconnect the plug and go to the main board and disconnect the only plug with 4 wires on it. You want to probe the two wires on that plug that were closest to the 5 wire plug that is next to the plug you pulled out, testing the wires on the plug side not the pins on the board side.

No voltage = bad xformer, replace.


Here is the wiring diagram. Hopefully you can make out the wire colors.

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I know this is an old thread but I just fixed a similar problem on my Max-E-Therm heater.
jlgoode, you were very close to getting to the root of the issue before you removed the harness. Pool Clown was pointing you to the low voltage side of the system because the fuse only protects the 24VAC circuit which includes the control board, the pressure and flow switches, sensors, and the wiring that goes to them. Pool Clown is correct when he says only a short on 24VAC side of the circuit will cause the fuse to blow. In your case, you were probably wired up correctly on the 120V side until you removed the harness. Somehow in reassembling it, you thought you lost the 120V at L2 but as pool clown said, that is normal for the 120V configuration. When you measure between L1 and L2 you would get 120V but you dropped off before you got to that point. It's understandable that at some point it's not worth your time to continue trouble shooting. (Maybe you did and just didn't follow-up).

For anyone else reading this thread all the way though to the "dead end" above, I'll tell you how I solved the blown fuse issue. Maybe it will help.
I was able to find a short to ground in the wiring connecting the thermistor sensor on the left side of the water manifold. You may wonder how there could possibly be a path to ground at that point. It was a self induced problem related to my method for keeping rats out of the heater. My problem shows that Pool Clown is correct when he says only a short to ground on the 24VAC circuit will cause the fuse to blow. Once I fixed the short circuit (and replaced the fuse) all was good again.

Background on how the short was self induced in my case.
Two to three years ago I had two issues with rats chewing through the wires. I repaired it both times by reconnecting or patching in new segments of wire. The 2nd time I did the repair, I had to come up with a way to stop the rats from getting into the heater. I found out they sell kits that cage off the entry points but I decided to try my own idea. I bought some stainless steel scouring pads and stuffed them into all the openings around the water manifold at the front of the heater as well as stuffing some around the exhaust vent where it comes through the plastic (fiberglass?) cover at the back of the heater.

I knew the stainless steel was conductive so I did my best to tape off any exposed contacts for the switches and sensors at the front of the water manifold and down the sides where the various switches and sensors are connected to the wiring. It worked fine for almost 2 years until last week when the heater wouldn't come on. This time it was different. There was no indication of life on the heater. No lights or error codes. It was dead.

I opened the heater to troubleshoot and was happy to see it wasn't a rat problem again. The stainless steel scouring pads worked to keep the rats out and were still in place and in good condition. I checked power to L1/L2 and all was good. Eventually I got to the point of checking the 24VAC side and saw the fuse was blown. I couldn't find an AGC 1.25A replacement near me so I picked up some 1.0A fuses (along with some 2.0A just in case but I don't recommend using a 2.0A fuse). I assumed there was a short somewhere and casually checked the wiring but didn't see any issues. So used a 1A fuse and turned on the pool. The heater briefly came to life (lights on the heater came on) but as soon as the pool panel closed the 24VAC circuit, the fuse blew. So I got daring and installed a 2A fuse. I thought it might give me more time to find the source of the short circuit. It actually did help, This time, when I powered up, just before the fuse blew, I saw a flash of light coming from the left side of the manifold which still had the plastic side covers in place (and stuffed with the steel scouring pads). I removed the cover and steel pads but I couldn't find any exposed wire. I ran the test again with the cover and steel pads removed (using a 1A fuse) and all was good. The heater came on, ignited and started to heat the pool. I re-taped all the wiring in the suspect area and reassemble everything (including stuffing the stainless steel scouring pads back into place because it worked well to keep the rats out). All is working again.

A short circuit could also occur when a wire's insulation is damaged and touches a grounded metal surface along its path. It can happen from either being chewed by a rat or from vibration over time when it passes to tightly against a sharp grounded metal edge. It's not what happened in my case but it can happen so check for that too. Hope this helps.
 
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