Quick and Dirty weekend drain... Experts?

Rattus Suffocatus

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Jun 5, 2019
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Corona de Tucson, AZ
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CircuPool Universal40
I am going to stay home this upcoming weekend for a change. I am thinking of doing a drain on Saturday. I will use a utility pump to do it. I am considering shutting off the auto fill and all of the equipment, letting it go on Saturday morning and draining down until the evening. Then turning on the autofill and once full again the rest of the equipment. I imagine if I get below the tile line for 24 hours or less I'll be okay. I probably will put the pump on one of the shelf seats, so there would be a bottom limit if I am not watching it.

Is this a crazy plan? I am trying to get CH down a bit... I don't actually know how far I'll drop it doing that... I suppose I can calculate it out... but this is what I have time for in the next 6 weeks literally. (I'll be two weeks in the Midwest after that...)

On Sunday I'll readjust salt and CYA... (and anything else at that time) maybe think about adding borates, depending on how much I bring down CH.

Is this a workable drain and refill plan on short notice?
 
Rent a trash pump from Home Depot? They are fast. You could run it on the deep end, drop a hose in the shallow end step and let ‘er rip. Then just stop the pump whenever you get deep enough and let the hose fill it back up until you leave. Let the auto fill finish the rest.

Doable? No?

You’re plaster will be fine as long as you go fast and refill right away.
 
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Any reason you couldn't start late afternoon or early evening on Friday?
Rent a pump from HD - reserve now and pick it up on the way home on Friday.
While the pool is starting to refill Saturday, return the pump to HD.
 
The utility pump I own is a 1/4 HP sump pump without a float switch, and the drain is a common garden hose connection. I have a big drainage wash next to my lot... so it'll go there. It's fast enough. I use it to drain the hot tub as it is and it will do 250 gallons in about 6-7 minutes. so maybe 2000 gallons an hour? We will find out I suppose. That would be 33 GPM, and the ones I see online are rated 30 GPM.. so ...closeish.. probably 1500 GPH then in reality. So I could drain the whole thing in 10 hours, even with that little pump. Maybe this isn't as bad as it seems.

Thinking and engineering out loud:

My thought is getting a 6 foot deep end pool down 2' and refilling might be enough... we filled it with two hoses running full bore in about 13 hours, so I do know that part is doable. (Auto fill is the same as one of them... It wasn't on line until the pool was filled...) Not mixing the water when pumping should be more efficient in water usage too.. that is why I don't just put the pump in it over the entire weekend. I suppose if the CH isn't low enough on Saturday night, I can run it that way until Sunday morning with the autofill going too...

2 ft probably at least 1/3 of the water or 5K gallons.... 4 hours run m/l. 750 PPM CH * 2 + 140 (CH fill, recently tested) divided by three is 550 PPM or so. 550 * 2 + 140 / 3 ~= 415 CH... 415 *2 + 140 = 323.... so I'll have to probably do that 3x, 4 hours run each time to get it in range again... sigh. Maybe I need to get a water softener to put outside after all.

Or maybe I should pull it down 1/2 way... 2.5' or so (guessing).... 7K gallons... 5.5 hour run. 750 + 140 / 2 = 375... hmm... Is pulling the pool down half way safe to do, @JoyfulNoise? If so that makes a big time and water usage difference.

Okay.. I'll give it a try.. The plan will be to start early in the morning and turn off in the evening or sooner. I do have a probably two hour long HOA board meeting (I'm unfortunately the secretary) and that is when it might be unattended (filling?)... so I will plan for it. By then I'll have an idea on how fast it's going. That's why I have to be in Tucson next weekend.... Otherwise, I head on out to the country every weekend now.... I'll move the hot tub there.. but no pool next time.....hopefully in 5 years or less....

As for Friday.. I work 9/80s and this week is an "ON" Friday.. I wouldn't get home with a rented pump until probably 8 PM. So.. no. I might be able to start with my own pump after dark on Friday though. Will be playing a lot of this by ear... Probably start before dawn as it is.

I guess I am glad that we are just warm enough that we don't have to close a pool here in the winter. :)
 
I can look at the math later but No way a 1/4 HP submersible through a garden hose will give you 30GPM. You’ll get 6-8GPM tops. I have a 3/4 HP submersible with 1-1/4” SCH40 PVC pipe up to the deck from the deep end connected out to 1-1/2” blue discharge tubing that runs for 150ft. Best it does is 23GPM measures by a flow meter.

As Chief Brody (Roy Scheider) said to Quint (Robert Shaw) …

“I think we’re going to need a bigger pump…”

(Ok, ok, it was “boat”, but you get my drift …)
 
Get a fitting in the sprinkler aisle of your home center of choice to upsize the pump discharge. Then use your backwash hose or sprinkler pipe instead of the garden hose.

 
Or just pony up the ~$50 and rent one from HD. One and done - no hacks, hoping that it works and drains at your desired rate.
They will provide up to two 50 feet long 2 inch hoses for the same price.

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Your fill time is fixed by the flow rate of your residential meter.
Significantly reducing your drain time by renting a big pump, starting in the late afternoon and filling overnight will be best for your plaster this time of year.
 
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Get a fitting in the sprinkler aisle of your home center of choice to upsize the pump discharge. Then use your backwash hose or sprinkler pipe instead of the garden hose.


Since you showed us yours, I should show you mine …. but I’ll have to search for some good pics of my hose … 😂
 
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Ah if only the Home Depot wasn't 22 miles from my home and I am trying to do this on the only day I have off for the next 6 weeks with me probably working until 6 PM on Friday as usual. (and not entirely even, since I have to show for that meeting.) Tucson sux in that way in that everything is 20 miles away (in different directions) from my densely populated (but unincorporated) 'burb. I can start pumping the night before... I actually also have a transfer pump... I have no idea the GPM on that one but I can run both (it's a pain to prime it though). I can start using the pools pump until I get to the skimmer bottom, but I have a main drain so it can go at least until there. I'm not worried about losing prime if I am out there watching it.

Luckily the drain to the wash is downhill from the pool and only about 10' away. I can run through almost no hose. When I do that with the hot tub, I literally drain it in about 10 minutes (I've done that three times now), and it's 250 gallons... so it's consistent. I agree head loss kills those pumps rapidly but I'll have almost none (only the draw from the level of the pool I am draining, 2'-3') . I could literally drain to the wash with just enough hose to drop over the decking of the pool. I could siphon about the first foot off of the pool if need be!

So lets assume I am hallucinating and I am only getting 10 GPM out of that pump... I still can do 7K gallons in 12 hours. That's all I will do regardless. If I am still too high in CH after that a second round will happen later in the year.

Here is the published ratings for the pump I have.. it's a Menards special for you fellow Midwesterners and former. 1500 GPH @ 0'; 1320 GPH @ 5'; 1200 GPH @ 10'; 960 GPH @ 15'; 540 GPH @ 20'; 120 GPH @ 25'

It has a 1-1/4" discharge and an adapter to "hose".. I guess I can get a 1-1/4" 6' bilge pump hose and a hose clamp.. not a bad idea! Hmm..

So since I am going downhill and I'll use a short hose.. I'm guessing the 10' isn't going to be going too far off of the mark. Lets derate this to 1000 GPH or the about 12' head level (with a 5' garden hose on it). That's seven hours. That is what I am actually expecting... Since I have a dozen other things to do, including fixing the SWCG control unit, going to a meeting, etc., that is not an issue really.

When we filled the pool we did it with two garden hoses on both silcoxes on the house and it filled in about 12-13 hours. So I probably can drain during the day, get done in the afternoon and then fill over night.

You did pick the second closest HD to me though. The one on Irvington is scary, I don't go there if possible. So that's the one I use when I am up here in Tucson. That pump is an "up to 3600 GPH" pump and is only 3-4x the capacity. I suppose if I were planning better I'd get another 1/4 HP for $56 from the midwestern chain (they sell mail order) and I'd be at least 1/2 the way to the rental and get to keep both pumps. :)

I'll consider the rental... if I have time... we will see. I think it's doable with the 1/4 of the capacity pump though...or two of 'em....

I am starting to wonder if doing this when I get back in the middle of October isn't a better idea though for the plaster. This has been my conundrum for several weeks now. I also wanted to get past the monsoon. It's been raining non stop here since early June (contrary to all the doom and gloom you've been hearing about the Southwest this year-- not the case here, I am actually tired of the rain, it's been worse than the Midwest this year, I have to cut grass at the other house! I tried to get away from that! Rye grass is growing there, not that normal Bermuda stuff, I am not kidding)... so that's been a major stall as well for me.

I want to try the bilge pump hose now tho....
 

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Ah.. @#$%@# it, I'll buy a 1 HP (750W) Chinese pump off of Amazon. Cheaper than renting..... same 3600 ish GPM rating as the rental.... If it works once it's free after that! But you guys are correct the bigger pump will be better. I'll still run both....
 
Ah.. @#$%@# it, I'll buy a 1 HP (750W) Chinese pump off of Amazon. Cheaper than renting..... same 3600 ish GPM rating as the rental.... If it works once it's free after that! But you guys are correct the bigger pump will be better. I'll still run both....
Smart move - the head to get out of the deep end plus the distance of hose is a killer. I wouldn’t try it with anything less than 1.5hp, but it’ll start take longer than you think.
 
Ah.. @#$%@# it, I'll buy a 1 HP (750W) Chinese pump off of Amazon. Cheaper than renting..... same 3600 ish GPM rating as the rental.... If it works once it's free after that! But you guys are correct the bigger pump will be better. I'll still run both....
Tim “The Tool Man” Taylor would be proud!!
oh no oops GIF by Laff
 
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Smart move - the head to get out of the deep end plus the distance of hose is a killer. I wouldn’t try it with anything less than 1.5hp, but it’ll start take longer than you think.
I'll run both pumps, maybe the transfer pump too though it's a pain. I really don't want to go down more than about 2.5' -- I'll just do multiple passes when I get there. at 6' yeah the head loss would start to get me. Honestly if the pump isn't complete garbage I'll buy a second 1 HP pump next time. The negative reviews on it were like "it only ran continuously for 6 months! Garbage!". Well, they aren't designed for that. Overall most of those pumps get surprisingly good reviews. I have 1.5" hose coming too.

That scary thing is that the pool solar cover did keep me from doing this for a least a year longer.. but right now the water is less expensive than a new cover and EVERYONE hated it. Don't let the greenies know I said this...
 
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At the risk of this post getting deleted or me getting banned....
So... this was directly applicable to the 750W pump I got.

Hooked a rather nice backwash hose that I cut down to about 30' from it's original 50' (long enough for anywhere on the pool that way, and I have 20' for the small pump... I mean that hose is really nice... well worth the $22 I paid for it.

Put it in what I thought was deep enough to trigger the float switch.......nothing..... tilted the float switch up by hand..... nothing..... put in deep enough that the pump had the float vertical and fully submerged....nothing...


So it was faster to return it for refund and then buy a $4 cheaper one (funny how that worked out) for another Chinese seller..... hopefully that one is good... but it's now definitely going to not happen until after we get back from Wisconsin.. so probably 3 weekends from now... Oh, well, time to hose out the salt cell..


Pool total drama theatre ....
 
I once tripped a breaker on the outdoor outlet circuit because there was a refrigerator plugged into the same line and I happen to run the submersible when the fridge compressor kicked on … just sayin, weird things happen with water pumps.
 
1 HP pump on Amazon. I've been using this for my pool since my 1/6 and 1/3 hp both seized up. I have not had to drain since joining TFP. I used the pump for aeration recently. It moves a lot of water. Pair it with a large 2-3" flat hose and you'll move some water. It is rated up to 3700 GPH. That will vary with lift. It is rated for up to 26 ft. only $55!

 
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1 HP pump on Amazon
I just bought one. My 1/3 HP died last year and with a pool again, finding a new one was on my long to do list. THANKS. And it's got about 50% more oomph than my old one for the same price.
 
I ran the little pump off the same circuit, GFCI, circuit.... Fine.. no issues. I tried the new pump again in the kitchen, dead as a doornail. So no the pump was DOA. The Chinese never test any of their stuff.. its cheaper to do the occasional or non-occasional return. I already got another one from a different seller-- it was cheaper and faster than doing the replacement of the one I originally received... but after dark tonight. So it wasn't going to happen no matter what.

I did another major project instead this weekend... I'll do the drain/refill in about three weeks. I actually didn't have time to buy salt, etc. anyway.. so maybe next time I won't have an insane week before and probably after, be preparing to leave for a trip half way across the country, etc. I will need to make sure the salt cell is clean right before I go though.

Honestly, I am considering buying a second one. 2 - 1 HP pumps should drain stuff really fast. I do have three separate GFCI circuits out there. I made sure I added one to the pool circuit and to the hot tub when I did them (and they were done at different times)... so there wouldn't be any problem running two pumps.
 

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