Heat pumps in general are just reliable. They are much more durable and reliable when compared to a heater. It's just like a central air unit.
X-PertPool said:Heat pumps in general are just reliable. They are much more durable and reliable when compared to a heater. It's just like a central air unit.
I never intended to imply that you were not truthful. As you noted, the bill can be complicated and difficult to understand. I merely wanted to see the rates to see if there might be some misunderstanding, and because I was interested in seeing such low rates published somewhere.Lershac said:
JamesW said:I never intended to imply that you were not truthful. As you noted, the bill can be complicated and difficult to understand. I merely wanted to see the rates to see if there might be some misunderstanding, and because I was interested in seeing such low rates published somewhere.
As best as I can tell, there is a commodity charge that is about $0.32 per CCF (about 1 Therm), and a Purchased Gas Adjustment charge, which looks like it is currently about $0.40 per CCF. Therefore, unless I am misunderstanding, the price per CCF (or Therm) is about $0.72.
http://www.entergy-louisiana.com/conten ... sl_g-1.pdf
http://www.entergy-louisiana.com/Your_H ... riffs.aspx
For Oklahoma Natural Gas the current Delivery Charge per Therm is = $0.37323, and the gas costs $0.4868 per Therm for a total of $0.86 per Therm.
http://www.oklahomanaturalgas.com/Custo ... alGas.aspx
http://www.oklahomanaturalgas.com/Custo ... rBill.aspx
Are you getting a discount, or a business price or some sort of bill averaging?Lershac said:Funny, for 150 CCF my bill was about $76. My customer charge and taxes and fees are static, running about $18 per bill.
Note that not all heat pumps heat and cool. If you want heating and cooling, then you have to get a unit that offers both.mhosborn said:I still plan to go with a heat pump because of its ability to both cool and heat the water.
If we don't have automation, will I be in trouble with the Pentair heat pump system powering on and off. The Pentair 140K UltraTemp will be within 5 feet of the pool pump. Along with that, I will have a Pentair VS 011018 pump, IC40 with control panel, Paramount Clear 03 Ozone, and a Pentair FNS Plus 60 sq ft filter. Can you fill me in a little more on what I should do. I do have the option to upgrade to EasyTouch, but it will come at another $500 additional cost. I don't know it's worth it, since I won't have a spa. Matt, your comments are making me nervous and I want to make sure I make the right equipment/installation decisions. Any advice is much appreciated!MattM said:I installed mine just a few months ago - my general comments:
- understand that pentair automation treats heat pumps in general as a second class citizen, if you have solar heating also - pentair will not allow you to use the standard com cable/port to connect to intellitouch. If you have a heater, you may have to tell intellitouch to pretend your heatpump is really a solar heating system. It's nuts.
- The newest pentair heat pumps themselves seem very reliable....I really like it, but realize they are electricity hogs...if you're fine with your heater using 5000 watts, go for it...
- Wherever you install the heat pump, make sure that the ground is slightly tilted and that there is a drain nearby....the heat pumps generate a ton of water
- Look at the specs, and pay attention to the COP ratings at the temp/humidity you think you'll have it operating at
- If you go with automation, the screenlogic upgrade is quite useful as it allows you set heating and non heating times, and/or change heat mode based on schedules (invaluable)
- Two somewhat annoyances with the pentair heat pump - a) if your heat pump is far from the main pump, and if the automation starts the heat pump at same time as the pump...the default 1 minute timer for water to reach the heat pump may not be enough...pentair provides no way to change this, and the system must be powered on/off to reset -- so in my automated schedule, I have the pump run for 1hr before I turn on heating...without that, I'd be in trouble.
- Don't be surprised to be warning about no water flow on main led screen where pump is off, this is normal....as long as the automation is turning off heating before shutting down the pump, you're good. The auto flow thing is important for heat pump safety otherwise and will generally be OK..but I'd rather not trust it and just shut the unit off completely at night, automation doesn't really have a way to do this.
- But if you live in a good area for the heat pump and don't mind the electric cost, it makes an excellent backup to solar heating and we find it very efficient. We had contractors upgrading our solar today so heat pump was running and we gained a good 6 degrees today on our 24K gallon pool during the 10hr runtime (from 70 in morning to 76 in evening)
- The pentair heat pumps seem relatively well built....I think it may be the last thing out of all the other pool equipment to go, although the water bypass built into it at the bottom can make some noises here and there