Main drain cover half off

Limey

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Jul 14, 2011
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Central Florida
The main drain cover is in the deepest center part of my in ground pool. The cover is held in place with two philips screws. I remember I couldn't fully tighten one of the screws when they emptied to clean my pool around half a year ago after deck was remodeled.

Any options for securing the main drain cover except for draining the whole pool again? Cheers
 
You just need this screwdriver! (though good luck getting it into your toolbox)

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It is screws or bolts? Is it just a matter of tightening one or both, or is one or both stripped and you need to do some sort of repair?
 
It is screws or bolts? Is it just a matter of tightening one or both, or is one or both stripped and you need to do some sort of repair?
The cover was held in place via two philips screws. The screws threaded into two holes that are located at 12 and 6 o'clock on the edge of the main drain plastic surround. I remember not being able to thread one screw fully , it would turn a quarter a turn and then fail to fully drive in any further. I was using a basic hand screwdriver at the time.
I incorrectly figured that the quarter of a turn would have been enough, but the creepy crawly must have eventually loosen it over time.
The one screw that I couldn't fully tighten is the only one causing the cover to partially come off .
 
Hmmm, I was trying to ascertain if your cover is held on by some sort of sheet metal screw (pointed end) or a machine screw (like a bolt, with a flat end). And if it's stripped out or not. It sounds like you've got a stripped machine screw. Perhaps it was cross threaded at some point.

Can you retrieve the screw? Are its threads OK, or crossed up?

Either way, if you can't easily tighten the screw, it's going to be a bit of a challenge under water: you can't use a drill or driver, and you can't apply enough weight and/or torque to force it in.

Some words of caution:

- If you attempt to work on this yourself, while holding your breath, please be sure to have someone standing by. An able-bodied adult who could perform a rescue if necessary. Just a precaution. Shallow-water black out is a real thing and you won't even know when it happens. You'll just go to sleep, forever.

- I'm not sure if fields_g was joking or not about the Spare Air rig (I have one of those). That might be tempting, just know that as soon as you take a breath at depth on an air tank, you're SCUBA diving and should know more than a little about it. You wouldn't get into much trouble if you were quick about it, especially if your pool wasn't very deep, but if you spend time at depth, you should know what you're doing, SCUBA-wise.

- Kudos for pursuing this repair. A loose drain cover is a potentially dangerous thing, and they have claimed lives. There really shouldn't be anybody in a pool with a loose drain cover. And if you or anyone else works on it, be sure to turn off all the breakers to the pool pad, so there is no possibility the pump can engage while someone is near the drain.

OK, all that said, without draining the pool, if you can't swim down and tighten the screw yourself, I think your best bet would be to hire a diver and have him go down and see what's up. You could call local pool maintenance companies for references to divers. Or are you near a coast? Try a local SCUBA shop. You might find someone to jump in for 50 bucks. He can try to tighten the existing screw, but the challenge will be holding himself in place while attempting it (not unlike space walkers trying to work in zero-g). If that doesn't work, you could use a stainless steel sheet metal screw that will bite into the existing threads enough to hold the cover properly. Not ideal.

If it's stripped or crossed, the correct fix is to re-tap the threads and replace the machine screw. You can try the same size, or you might have to go up a size. You'd have to have the right size tap (which you could figure out with the machine screw at a hardware store).

There's other tricks if those don't work...
 
Spare air could be an option for a certain person. There's a cost, probably more than just hiring someone.... but you get a new toy! A fully charged bottle like that would only get you several minutes of bottom time and you have to deal with buoyancy while working. Since the screws already have a history of being troublesome, you might quickly reach the limitations of a that gear.

While you put effort into this, please insure your main drain cover is anti-entrapment compliant. 10 years ago, in Minnesota, there was a 6 year old who was disemboweled by a drain. You are addressing a safety issue and applaud your attentiveness.
 
...please insure your main drain cover is anti-entrapment compliant.

My cover is not compliant but I have no safety concerns because I installed a threaded plug into the bottom of my skimmer basket (where the center drain loops through before going to the pump). That permanently shuts off the main drain and I've had no issues in doing so. I've gained more powerful skimming and my suction side robot roams around the deep end pulling in water to maintain good circulation. After 3 years, I don't miss the main drain flow at all and no grandkids will ever be put at risk if they are clowning around the drain area. That's one way to solve the problem until it could be fixed but it won't apply to all pool and situations depending on how your pool is plumbed.
 
Hmmm, I was trying to ascertain if your cover is held on by some sort of sheet metal screw (pointed end) or a machine screw (like a bolt, with a flat end). And if it's stripped out or not. It sounds like you've got a stripped machine screw. Perhaps it was cross threaded at some point.

Can you retrieve the screw? Are its threads OK, or crossed up?

Either way, if you can't easily tighten the screw, it's going to be a bit of a challenge under water: you can't use a drill or driver, and you can't apply enough weight and/or torque to force it in.

Some words of caution:

- If you attempt to work on this yourself, while holding your breath, please be sure to have someone standing by. An able-bodied adult who could perform a rescue if necessary. Just a precaution. Shallow-water black out is a real thing and you won't even know when it happens. You'll just go to sleep, forever.

- I'm not sure if fields_g was joking or not about the Spare Air rig (I have one of those). That might be tempting, just know that as soon as you take a breath at depth on an air tank, you're SCUBA diving and should know more than a little about it. You wouldn't get into much trouble if you were quick about it, especially if your pool wasn't very deep, but if you spend time at depth, you should know what you're doing, SCUBA-wise.

- Kudos for pursuing this repair. A loose drain cover is a potentially dangerous thing, and they have claimed lives. There really shouldn't be anybody in a pool with a loose drain cover. And if you or anyone else works on it, be sure to turn off all the breakers to the pool pad, so there is no possibility the pump can engage while someone is near the drain.

OK, all that said, without draining the pool, if you can't swim down and tighten the screw yourself, I think your best bet would be to hire a diver and have him go down and see what's up. You could call local pool maintenance companies for references to divers. Or are you near a coast? Try a local SCUBA shop. You might find someone to jump in for 50 bucks. He can try to tighten the existing screw, but the challenge will be holding himself in place while attempting it (not unlike space walkers trying to work in zero-g). If that doesn't work, you could use a stainless steel sheet metal screw that will bite into the existing threads enough to hold the cover properly. Not ideal.

If it's stripped or crossed, the correct fix is to re-tap the threads and replace the machine screw. You can try the same size, or you might have to go up a size. You'd have to have the right size tap (which you could figure out with the machine screw at a hardware store).

There's other tricks if those don't work...
Thanks for the advice. Fortunately for me the main drain doesn't truly function as a main drain. Meaning when I flip the valve lever main drain it causes pressure in the sand filter to immediately raise.
That's the reason I unscrewed the cover in the first place. I wanted to see what was under there. What I did see was the main centered hole was plugged and that there was some other hole to the side of the main drain that wasn't plugged. Not sure what all that meant to be honest.

In regards to the screws for the cover. They are stainless steel Philips type and were screwed into two plastic holes around the main drain. I figured enough force would drive it all the way in, but it wouldn't budge further than a quarter a turn.

Issue I have is primarily cosmetic, not safety related as main drain doesn't have suction.

I think my main drain is plumbed in like slick post above.
 

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