I'm not new to pools. But I'm new to this pool. Our old pool was a sand filter. I could easily backwash. I knew which valve closed the pool drain. I knew where the skimmer was... can someone identify all of these pool parts?
I have no idea what I'm doing...
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- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,575
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
1. You have a Paramount In Floor Cleaning System (IFCS). Part 1 contains the valves to cycles through the various in floor cleaning zones.
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2. That is a Paramount leaf catcher.
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3. Post wider pictures showing all of your equipment pad so I can understand where all the pipes go.
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2. That is a Paramount leaf catcher.
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3. Post wider pictures showing all of your equipment pad so I can understand where all the pipes go.
You are so helpful!!! The server is telling me my images are too large to upload. I'm going to shrink them and try again. Stay tuned!1. You have a Paramount In Floor Cleaning System (IFCS). Part 1 contains the valves to cycles through the various in floor cleaning zones.
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2. That is a Paramount leaf catcher.
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The largest pool debris canister on the market. Collect more leaves and debris before it reaches your pool pump. The high capacity Equipment Debris Canister (EDC) is designed to capture more debris, reduce cleaning time and
3. Post wider pictures showing all of your equipment pad so I can understand where all the pipes go.
- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,575
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
The second pump is for spa jets?
Give a clear head on pic of this manifold showing all the pipes. You have four pipes going into the ground. Pipe A may feed water to the IFCS valves (1).
Do you have separate returns from the IFCS pop ups on the floor?
You need to close and open A, B and C vales and see what changes with your pool return water flow.
@proavia is familiar with how IFCS is setup and may have ideas.
Give a clear head on pic of this manifold showing all the pipes. You have four pipes going into the ground. Pipe A may feed water to the IFCS valves (1).
Do you have separate returns from the IFCS pop ups on the floor?
You need to close and open A, B and C vales and see what changes with your pool return water flow.
@proavia is familiar with how IFCS is setup and may have ideas.
I don't have a spa. I did play with them a bit and learned B is the aerator lol!The second pump is for spa jets?
Give a clear head on pic of this manifold showing all the pipes. You have four pipes going into the ground. Pipe A may feed water to the IFCS valves (1).
Do you have separate returns from the IFCS pop ups on the floor?
You need to close and open A, B and C vales and see what changes with your pool return water flow.
@proavia is familiar with how IFCS is setup and may have ideas.
I'm kind of afraid to change any valves. What if something blows up? I usually do the chemistry and the husband messes with the pump/filter. But the husband is over this pool. Whereas I am determined. I'm ashamed to say I don't know what a return is....
Pump return is the nozzle back into the pool where pressurized water comes out.
Could you take pictures of the pool itself?
You have two pumps with an in floor cleaning system so I would take a guess that the white/beige pump is dedicated to that (you may know this but I thinking out loud) and the black pump in the main filter/water feature pump.
Do you have water features (water fall, firewater bowls, deck jets) other than the aerator (bubblers????) I am going venture a guess and say that "A" is the flow control on/off for those. I am going to also venture a guess that "C" allows you to control the amount of water that returns to the pool via the water features/aerators or the jets in the pool.
I don't see where you can cut off the return lines from the pump to the pool completely so blowing something up would be pretty hard to do. Its pretty hard overall as it is as I seem to have gained personal knowledge how tough pool equipment is recently.
Could you take pictures of the pool itself?
You have two pumps with an in floor cleaning system so I would take a guess that the white/beige pump is dedicated to that (you may know this but I thinking out loud) and the black pump in the main filter/water feature pump.
Do you have water features (water fall, firewater bowls, deck jets) other than the aerator (bubblers????) I am going venture a guess and say that "A" is the flow control on/off for those. I am going to also venture a guess that "C" allows you to control the amount of water that returns to the pool via the water features/aerators or the jets in the pool.
I don't see where you can cut off the return lines from the pump to the pool completely so blowing something up would be pretty hard to do. Its pretty hard overall as it is as I seem to have gained personal knowledge how tough pool equipment is recently.
I'm on day two of SLAMing. In the past, with my old SIMPLE sand filter pool, I would notice an improvement in water clarity on day two. There's zero improvement. My freshly filled pool is cloudy. My intuition tells me it has something to do with the filter/pump/IFCS.....and not the chemicals.
No other water features other than the aerator. I have a "regular skimmer", then there's a second skimmer that goes with the IFCS, and then another thing in the ground that looks like a bulb syringe.
I know these pop-ups are supposed to rotate. I've sat and watched them and they aren't rotating. Some of them aren't even popping up. The entire IFCS is supposed to blow debris to the center of the pool, where it gets sucked up. That doesn't happen. It's never happened! The debris just sits there. And I'm trying to figure out why. We recently drained the entire pool and refilled it. I checked the drain in the middle of the pool, so I know it isn't clogged.
I may end of having to pay someone to come and fix this, although I'm cheap and trying to avoid that!
No other water features other than the aerator. I have a "regular skimmer", then there's a second skimmer that goes with the IFCS, and then another thing in the ground that looks like a bulb syringe.
I know these pop-ups are supposed to rotate. I've sat and watched them and they aren't rotating. Some of them aren't even popping up. The entire IFCS is supposed to blow debris to the center of the pool, where it gets sucked up. That doesn't happen. It's never happened! The debris just sits there. And I'm trying to figure out why. We recently drained the entire pool and refilled it. I checked the drain in the middle of the pool, so I know it isn't clogged.
I may end of having to pay someone to come and fix this, although I'm cheap and trying to avoid that!
- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,575
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
Water comes out of your filter following the red water path towards C. All the water is your RETURN water. It then has four possible pipes it can RETURN to the pool.
Note that the first pipe marked in purple is before valve C. So water will always flow to it.
My guess is the three pipes to the left of valve C do some things with your IFCS. If you turn the handle of C up to the left 90 degrees it will shut off the water flow to those three pipes and just leave water flowing to the purple pipe.
The way the valves are set in the pic RETURN water will flow to all four pipes from the filter.
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- Feb 6, 2015
- 7,846
- Pool Size
- 12300
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- CircuPool RJ-45 Plus
Show us a picture of your timer enclosure with the door open.
Show us pics of the pool from a few different angles.
It appears there was additional equipment to the right of the filter. Maybe a long removed heater or heat pump?
The tan pump is either for a water feature or for the infloor system. No idea why infloor 9f that brand is sometimes plumbed with a separate pump and unfiltered water. Just makes no sense.
Below the skimmer from the inside of the pool, is there an open pipe below it? That would indicate the possibility of a venturi type skimmer. If there is an open pipe below the skimmer or below where the leaf catcher is, check for water flowing back into pool when black pump is on. Also check when tan pump is on.
Are there any additional covers in the deck besides the leaf catcher and skimmer? Auto water leveler? Open them the post pics of the internals.
Suction side is probably one pipe from skimmer to pad and other from bottom drain thru leaf catcher to pad.
The two 3/4" pipes without valves are weird - most of the time they put valves on them.
Once we see a pic of the timers and pool, we can better determine what you might have.
Show us pics of the pool from a few different angles.
It appears there was additional equipment to the right of the filter. Maybe a long removed heater or heat pump?
The tan pump is either for a water feature or for the infloor system. No idea why infloor 9f that brand is sometimes plumbed with a separate pump and unfiltered water. Just makes no sense.
Below the skimmer from the inside of the pool, is there an open pipe below it? That would indicate the possibility of a venturi type skimmer. If there is an open pipe below the skimmer or below where the leaf catcher is, check for water flowing back into pool when black pump is on. Also check when tan pump is on.
Are there any additional covers in the deck besides the leaf catcher and skimmer? Auto water leveler? Open them the post pics of the internals.
Suction side is probably one pipe from skimmer to pad and other from bottom drain thru leaf catcher to pad.
The two 3/4" pipes without valves are weird - most of the time they put valves on them.
Once we see a pic of the timers and pool, we can better determine what you might have.
Will do when I get home. Just left for work. If you're seeing a black box near the pool, not the pump, that's the pool light.
Basically my water is cloudy. I've SLAMed and passed all three criteria, with the water still being cloudy. This infloor cleaning system blows all the debris to the third step and the middle of the pool where it just sits.
No additional equipment next to the pump. This is the top of the Hayward pump which I didn't even know this opened and was a little computer!!!
I took apart the infloor cleaning system yesterday and learned it's a Paramount 2000.
There is a pipe below the skimmer. The Hayward is running and to me it feels like water is being sucked INTO the the pump, not out into the pool. Which....at our old house my husband was across the country and I found a dead squirrel floating in the skimmer. So I had to call a neighbor to come get it out. So I'm kind of traumatized and weirded out about sticking my hand in the skimmer. But I did it!! Lol!
There's a lid for the leaf catcher. The lid says to keep the lid on while pump/filter is operating.
Open them the post pics of the internals.
Here's what's under the other cover. What is it?
Suction side is probably one pipe from skimmer to pad and other from bottom drain thru leaf catcher to pad.
The two 3/4" pipes without valves are weird - most of the time they put valves on them.
Once we see a pic of the timers and pool, we can better determine what you might have.
So basically you did not pass all three criteria if water was still cloudy.
Have you cleaned the filter ? It's likely the last people hadn't for a long time.
- Feb 6, 2015
- 7,846
- Pool Size
- 12300
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- CircuPool RJ-45 Plus
If your water is still cloudy, your SLAM Process isn't complete.
Are you using PoolMath? If not, you should be. If you are, share your PoolMath logs here so we can see your test results easily.
For the skimmer, you said there is a pipe below it inside of the pool itself. Does the pipe on the inside of the pool below the skimmer have water coming out of it - even just a little? That pipe shouldn't have any suction/water being sucked out of the pool.
Do the popups for the IFCS pop up with black pump on and tan off, or only with tan pump on (black off)?
Some much closer pics looking into the pool with all equipment off (still water) from lots of different points along the pool would help to see where other pipes in the pool are.
I am still puzzled by the two 3/4" pipes without valves.
In the enclosure with the two yellow faced timers, both timers are always on. How do you turn on the tan pump. The black pump is controlled by the small black timer enclosure as the pump is a variable speed. On/off times, pump speeds and schedules can be set there.
The concrete pump to the right of the filter previously had equipmemt on it. My guess would be a heater that was long removed. Given the plumbing layout - especially the outlet from the filter to the first Jandy valve - a heater may have originally been plumbed in there.
Are you using PoolMath? If not, you should be. If you are, share your PoolMath logs here so we can see your test results easily.
For the skimmer, you said there is a pipe below it inside of the pool itself. Does the pipe on the inside of the pool below the skimmer have water coming out of it - even just a little? That pipe shouldn't have any suction/water being sucked out of the pool.
Do the popups for the IFCS pop up with black pump on and tan off, or only with tan pump on (black off)?
Some much closer pics looking into the pool with all equipment off (still water) from lots of different points along the pool would help to see where other pipes in the pool are.
I am still puzzled by the two 3/4" pipes without valves.
In the enclosure with the two yellow faced timers, both timers are always on. How do you turn on the tan pump. The black pump is controlled by the small black timer enclosure as the pump is a variable speed. On/off times, pump speeds and schedules can be set there.
The concrete pump to the right of the filter previously had equipmemt on it. My guess would be a heater that was long removed. Given the plumbing layout - especially the outlet from the filter to the first Jandy valve - a heater may have originally been plumbed in there.
Yes we cleaned the filter before we refilled, after we drained.
Yes, using pool math. Log is as follows:
3/1: 6:30pm Overnight Chlorine Loss Test
CYA 0
pH: 7.8 adding 1.5 gallons chlorine
FC 1
CC .2
7pm
FC 11.4
FC .2
3/2 8am-
FC 9ppm
CC .44
CYA 0
3/3 6pm-
CC 0
FC .8
CYA 0
3/4 5:30pm
FC .8
CC 0
CYA- 0 add half gallon liquid conditioner
pH 7.8 add 1 cup 1 oz muriatic acid 14.5%
3/5 6:30pm
pH 7.8
3/6 10:30am
pH 7.8 add 40 oz muriatic acid 14.5%
12:15pm
pH 7.5
FC .2- added 1.75 gallon chlorine 10% to SLAM
@ 12PPM
5pm
FC 10.5 add 29 oz. Chlorine 10% to SLAM @ 12PPM
CC- 0
7pm
FC- 11.5 add 10oz. Chlorine 10% to SLAM @ 12PPM
CC- 0
3/7-9:20AM
FC 9.5-10ppm add 40oz chlorine 10% to SLAM
CC 0
CYA
11:30am
FC 10 add 38oz chlorine 10% to SLAM
CC 0
CYA 30ppm
2:30pm
FC 8.5 add 67oz chlorine 10% to SLAM
CC 0
6:45pm
FC 9 add 58oz liquid chlorine 10% to SLAM
CC 0
3/8 7:45am
FC 13
CC 0
It doesn't seem to have water coming out. It's difficult to tell with the pump running. I will check again tomorrow. But it felt like it just had water being sucked in.
The pop ups come up with the black pump on or off. They come up with the tan one off or on. The tan pump is a cartridge filter. The black is the Hayward pump. The small round thing, with the missing psi gauge, is the IFCS.
I will do that tomorrow around 4pm Arizona time.
They're not always on. There's the yellow timer. Below that is several circuit breakers. I don't know which controls which. I don't even know which way off/on is because the words are worn off. I push those on/off until whatever I want to turn on or off works.
That I should be able to figure out myself by playing with it.
Both my husband and I have no idea what this thing is for....but I was able to open it and clean it out. Although it wasn't dirty.
- Feb 6, 2015
- 7,846
- Pool Size
- 12300
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- CircuPool RJ-45 Plus
I actually meant share your PoolMath logs from the app so they show here when anyone click on your profile picture. Click my pic and see.....
You really shuuldn't be turning on/off your circuit breakers to control your equipment. They are not meant to be used as on/off switches and will prematurely fail if you continue to use them that way. You can use the silver metal tab with the on/off printed on them. Just don't touch the screws behind that lever. There should be a plastic guard between the lever and the screws on both timers. My bet is one timer turns the tan pump on/off and the other may or may not turn the black VS pump on/off based on who wired the black pump.
That plastic guard cover looks like this:
You really shuuldn't be turning on/off your circuit breakers to control your equipment. They are not meant to be used as on/off switches and will prematurely fail if you continue to use them that way. You can use the silver metal tab with the on/off printed on them. Just don't touch the screws behind that lever. There should be a plastic guard between the lever and the screws on both timers. My bet is one timer turns the tan pump on/off and the other may or may not turn the black VS pump on/off based on who wired the black pump.
That plastic guard cover looks like this:
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