Green swamp at opening

Have you noticed your robot picking up any sand?
Have you tried turning the pump off overnight to see if things settle?
The day I replaced the Mvp gasket it remained off for probably 18 Hours or so and I noticed no difference the next day. I have always had a few grains of sand in the robotic cleaner filter for the last seven years. It probably doesn’t amount to a teaspoon though. The only time that was different was after I added sand. We did backwash and rinse immediately after, but I had a bit more after the robot cleaned that time, but it’s back to a minuscule amount now.
 
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Thanks for sharing! We both started with yucky green water, but I am 3 1/2 weeks into the process. 😬 I don’t believe I ever had ammonia, as my FC held pretty well after the first day as did my CYA. I continually have passed OCLT and CC has stayed at .5, but I cannot get past the milky blue stage which definitely looks like a filtration issue. I have tried a few logical fixes to no avail. At this point I am just trying to be patient and watch for improvement. Looking forward to following your progress which hopefully is much quicker than mine!
Sounds about what I went though when I first bought this house with a green pool. I have the same style of filter as you and mine doesn’t seem to like to filter out super fine particles very well. Just this last Thursday for example I was in a rush and cut my grass after work with my riding mower. It has a tendency to send a dirt cloud into the air. The wind wasn’t working in my favor and dumped a ton of dirt into the pool. I had a lot of dirt at the bottom. The filter struggles with this unless I add DE powder to it. The pressure on my pump will rise quickly when I use it, but it will remove all this dirt but only if I use DE in it. Basically your pool is going to clear eventually, but it can take weeks. You can speed it up considerably with DE in the filter, but you will have to backwash and add more water and DE frequently. Basically anytime you think you should add clarifier to the pool, don’t, just dump a cup of DE in the filter. Works way better and without the problems of clarifier.
EDIT: Oh and wear a respirator or n-95 dust mask when using DE for pools. It’s basically DE that they cook, and you don’t want to breathe it in at all.
 
The day I replaced the Mvp gasket it remained off for probably 18 Hours or so and I noticed no difference the next day. I have always had a few grains of sand in the robotic cleaner filter for the last seven years. It probably doesn’t amount to a teaspoon though. The only time that was different was after I added sand. We did backwash and rinse immediately after, but I had a bit more after the robot cleaned that time, but it’s back to a minuscule amount now.
You said when the pool guy closed your pool he put on the invoice, inspection and closing. What was this "inspection" he performed? When I close my pool there's no inspecting that needs doing. I just drain partially and tear down the filter plumbing so it doesn't freeze. And I set the MPV to the Winter setting.
 
I’m sure not much, just a visual inspection of the equipment that’s part of his closing process I’m assuming. I just have someone do it because we didn’t build this pool and the pool builder did not give us much of an understanding of the equipment seven years ago when we hired him to give us a tutorial. I just basically want to make sure everything is winterized properly. We have many different lines for water features, so it’s always been something I’ve been okay handing over to someone else to do, but I am much more comfortable with all of the plumbing nowadays and that would be the next thing I would like to conquer on my own.
 
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Just to update everyone, the pool looks basically the same. I was considering using a flocculent and replacing the sand at this point, but my husband is going to have to leave town and I don’t want to be alone here handling that. I decided I had nothing left to lose and to try the DE again. I was hesitant to ever continue with that in case it was coming back into the pool and also because it definitely seems I have some kind of filtration issue. This afternoon I followed the proper procedure and added 2 cups. It seemed like nothing was going to happen but over almost a four hour period, the pressure actually increased 25%! I just backwashed and I’m refilling the water again but I don’t see any visual difference now and I don’t know how many times that same sequence would need to happen to improve the clarity. I can’t wait to see my water bill, especially after all I’ve spent on the liquid chlorine from the past four weeks.
 
The rise in pressure is a good sign 👍🏻
Along with doing the DE dance you can put a skimmer sock on the return jet(s) to see if you catch anything coming back into the pool (secure it with a rubber band) - I wish I would have mentioned that before now. I know you’ve tried sooo many things.
 
I’m sure not much, just a visual inspection of the equipment that’s part of his closing process I’m assuming. I just have someone do it because we didn’t build this pool and the pool builder did not give us much of an understanding of the equipment seven years ago when we hired him to give us a tutorial. I just basically want to make sure everything is winterized properly. We have many different lines for water features, so it’s always been something I’ve been okay handing over to someone else to do, but I am much more comfortable with all of the plumbing nowadays and that would be the next thing I would like to conquer on my own.
I'm just curious if it's possible he did something to the pump and that's the cause of the problem. It seems odd that you didn't have any problems for 7 years, then he closed it in the fall, and now it's a problem. So I assume you weren't there watching him close it?
 
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The rise in pressure is a good sign 👍🏻
Along with doing the DE dance you can put a skimmer sock on the return jet(s) to see if you catch anything coming back into the pool (secure it with a rubber band) - I wish I would have mentioned that before now. I know you’ve tried sooo many things.
I put my skimmer socks on the baskets a few days ago and they are coated in a thick brown layer of (I’m assuming) pollen daily. I didn’t add one to a return yet.
 

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I'm just curious if it's possible he did something to the pump and that's the cause of the problem. It seems odd that you didn't have any problems for 7 years, then he closed it in the fall, and now it's a problem. So I assume you weren't there watching him close it?
No, I don’t even go out there
A bunch. But it's progress so take the win. :)
Exactly! The only positive progress in way too long, so I’ll continue with this for now.
 
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Just to update everyone, the pool looks basically the same. I was considering using a flocculent and replacing the sand at this point, but my husband is going to have to leave town and I don’t want to be alone here handling that. I decided I had nothing left to lose and to try the DE again. I was hesitant to ever continue with that in case it was coming back into the pool and also because it definitely seems I have some kind of filtration issue. This afternoon I followed the proper procedure and added 2 cups. It seemed like nothing was going to happen but over almost a four hour period, the pressure actually increased 25%! I just backwashed and I’m refilling the water again but I don’t see any visual difference now and I don’t know how many times that same sequence would need to happen to improve the clarity. I can’t wait to see my water bill, especially after all I’ve spent on the liquid chlorine from the past four weeks.
I’m starting to think there is just something with this style of filterers. It took mine what seemed like forever to clear the algae. It works fine usually, but sometimes I have to add the DE. I also run my pump and salt water generator 24/7. Before that I kept getting algae. I always thought it was because of all the trees and gunk I get.
 
I’m starting to think there is just something with this style of filterers. It took mine what seemed like forever to clear the algae. It works fine usually, but sometimes I have to add the DE. I also run my pump and salt water generator 24/7. Before that I kept getting algae. I always thought it was because of all the trees and gunk I get.
I’ve always struggled with fine dust/dirt debri and I guess pollen. I’m going to be more consistent with skimmer socks. i realize I started with a dark green swamp, but the fact that pressure only rose the first day of the slam and the fact that the dead algae is visibly not being caught in the filter is disappointing. At least I am able to get some assistance with DE.
 
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I’ve always struggled with fine dust/dirt debri and I guess pollen. I’m going to be more consistent with skimmer socks. i realize I started with a dark green swamp, but the fact that pressure only rose the first day of the slam and the fact that the dead algae is visibly not being caught in the filter is disappointing. At least I am able to get some assistance with DE.
Any change yet?
 
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Any change yet?
Just the addition of massive amounts of pollen like I’ve never seen in my life! The skimmer socks get completely full of it every day. The water is still cloudy. I want to change the sand, but it’s looking like next week at the earliest before we can tackle it.
 
I’ve always struggled with fine dust/dirt debri and I guess pollen. I’m going to be more consistent with skimmer socks. i realize I started with a dark green swamp, but the fact that pressure only rose the first day of the slam and the fact that the dead algae is visibly not being caught in the filter is disappointing. At least I am able to get some assistance with DE.
Have you gotten any resolve yet? I sincerely hope that since you haven't posted in a bit, you got it worked out. I struggle with fine dust/dirt too from all the farming around me. But that just settles to the bottom, I never get algae. That said, winter is a challenge as far as keeping algae from growing. You are in a warmer climate, so the water likely stays warm enough to favor algae growth. Where I live my pool water freezes almost completely. But even with the early warmth this year, no cover on my pool and the filter not even hooked up, my water remains crystal clear just from me pouring liquid chlorine it it and using my robot to circulate it.

I don't have all that dead algae to deal with, just dirt at the bottom to vacuum, but my dog's pool does. It looked like your pool at opening, and I just threw a ton of shock in it. In 2 days it was crystal clear, with all the dead algae settled at the bottom. It doesn't have it's pump up and running yet either. So it appears your slamming and water balancing has killed all the algae and the water is cloudy from the pump stirring up all the debris but not filtering it out, as if it were set on recirculate. I'm certainly not an expert, so don't anyone jump on me, this is just my thinking.

I asked about the pool guy's "inspection" because I wondered if he took anything apart, like your MPV. Or maybe the previous homeowner messed with it, not knowing how to do it properly. So the only way to figure it out is to take the MPV apart and pay attention to how the key assembly is configured compared to the handle settings, to determine if it was opened and not put back together properly.

At this point if it were me, I would just assume the MPV is bad in some way after 13 years of use, and replace it. I saw a new one like yours for $203 on Ebay when I was shopping around for mine. I know you replaced the gasket, but there may be something else worn out, perhaps the spring. You also can't rely on your pressure gauge being accurate. My pressure gauge has been bad from day one. It's pegged all the way around from it's 0 point, and my neighbor's is the same way.

I'm only beginning my 5th year with my filter and have an entire new MPV sitting here ready to install when I actually get my pump and filter up and running. Then I will rebuild my old one with new parts, and keep it on the shelf for future service. Mine was very hard to turn, made that screeching sound when turning, and it was sucking air. Even though we had real early warmth, we still got nights below freezing, which is why I haven't done it yet. We are over the hump now with the temps, so this week I will be redoing the whole thing. Some may think that's excessive, but I'm not as excessive as my neighbor who breaks down his whole system and stores it in the garage every winter, replacing all the sand every year. :laughblue:
 
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Just wanted to update everyone…I came outside on Sunday to a Mother’s Day miracle! The pool had cleared up quite a bit from the day before and has continued to improve daily! How does that make sense?!?! we never had time to change the sand because there were just several various things going on with our family and my husband has been constantly traveling. The only difference was that I was sick of adding liquid chlorine so I added the salt and switched on the SWG about three days before it started clearing up at a much faster rate. I’ve also been running the heater just a little bit every day since Mother’s Day. Today I can barely make out the bottom drains on the deep ends, so if the progress I’ve been having over the past few days continues, it might be completely clear in the next few days. 🙌🏻 Any possible explanation?

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Any possible explanation?
It always turns for the better. When it does, it's human nature to want to correlate it with XYZ.

One of my favorite ones was a guy who had a busy schedule and just couldn't be around. The green swamp part took a loooong time, but when it shifted to the fustrating milky/cloudy part, not being around often made it seem like progress when he had the time to tend to it.
 
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